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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2009 (September-October) » Archive through September 24, 2009 » Phonetic realization of Irish vowels - and broad vs. slender in Scottish Gaelic « Previous Next »

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Riain_liam_o_laithimh
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Username: Riain_liam_o_laithimh

Post Number: 30
Registered: 12-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 03:32 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Could someone direct me to a place (or list out) what the phonetic realizations of Irish vowel graphemes are?

I'm working on trying to figure out what drives (in terms of phonology/phonotactics) the broad/slender difference in the pronunciation of Gaelic consonants (I'm sure the answer is out there, but don't tell me - I'm not in school right now so I'm interested in running a phonology problem just to keep my mind sharp) and obviously I need to know what the different Irish vowel representations are.

Also, I've noticed that broad and slender consonants seem to be flipped in terms of how they're realized, between Irish and Scottish Gaelic. For example,

"Oiche mhaith" in Irish, the "mhaith" is realized /wa/ or /wai/ whereas in Gaidhlig 'Oidche mhath' second word realized as /va/

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Crí
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 05:11 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

"Oiche mhaith" in Irish, the "mhaith" is realized /wa/ or /wai/ whereas in Gaidhlig 'Oidche mhath' second word realized as /va/


In Munster Irish mhaith can be /va/ too, thus oíche mhaith = /i:hə va/ or more precisely: [iːhə βʷɑ].

(Message edited by Crí on September 15, 2009)

Go mairidh ár nGaelainn slán!

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Seánw
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Post Number: 94
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think I know what you're getting at. A list of vowel letters is the first link below. The second gives some phonological information on the realization of them. Books will give more definitive information on the dialectical variations of the vowels, and the consonants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_orthography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_phonology

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 744
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

What dialect of Irish has /wai/ for mhaith? I've never heard an offglide there.

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Riain_liam_o_laithimh
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 03:54 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

>>What dialect of Irish has /wai/ for mhaith? I've never heard an offglide there.

Ulster, I think.

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Lughaidh
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Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 01:06 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Donegal : /waix'/ or sometimes /wai/ when speaking quickly.

/i:x'ə waix'/

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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