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Ingeborg
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 03-2008


Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 05:26 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The Irish word for province is cúige, which is obviously derived from the number cúig.

Well I know there are Connaċta, Laiġin, an Ṁuṁain and Ulaiḋ. But one is missing.

So I thought of Alba, which was part of the cultural and linguistic realm of the medieval irish society.

Or am I futilely arousing dreams of a “greater Ireland” here and the explanation is more simple?

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Liam_mac_g
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Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 06:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Meath

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Macdara
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 09-2008
Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 07:06 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sin ceart ,An Mídh.Wasn't the number five of special significance to the old Irish? Think I read somewhere there were five 'directions' ie the usual four and the middle.And that the old musical modes were based on five,rather than eight notes.Raiméis?

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 07:28 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100054/index.html

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The third division here, i.e. the division of the Firbolg. The five sons of Deala, son of Loch, divided Ireland into five parts among them, and it is those are called the five provinces, and it is that is the division which is the most permanent that was ever made in Ireland, as we shall shortly hereafter relate. Cambrensis agrees with this division in the book he wrote of an account of Ireland, where he says:—In five parts, indeed, almost equal, (he says), this country was anciently divided, which are, the two Munsters, north Munster and south Munster, Leinster, Ulster, and Connacht. In quinque enim portiones (inquit) fere aequales antiquitus haec regio divisa fuit; videlicet, in Momoniam duplicem, Borealem et Australem, Lageniam, Ultoniam, et Conaciam.’’





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I shall return to the usual division which is on Ireland from the time of the Firbolg apart, for it is it is the most permanently established, namely, five provinces to be made of it, as we have said. And it is where the common centre of these five provinces was, at a pillar-stone which is in Uisneach, until that Tuathal Teachtmhar came, into the sovereignty, and that he took away a portion of each province as mensal land for every high-king who should be in Ireland: so that it is of these Meath was formed, as we shall show in the reign of Tuathal.



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I shall now make the subdivision of Meath and of the provinces also; and I shall give the beginning of this division to Meath until its lands are described, because it is the mensal land of the king of Ireland, according to the Gael, and that it used to be free, without obligation, without control, without tax from any one in Ireland, except from the king of Ireland alone.




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