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Tadhganseo
Member Username: Tadhganseo
Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2009
| Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 02:05 pm: |
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Is there one? Can someone explain it? Gura míle! |
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Student
Member Username: Student
Post Number: 125 Registered: 07-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 01:37 pm: |
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I think it has something to do with relative clauses. I would also like to know the answer to your question. Ní leor teanga amháin www.irishbooksandgifts.com
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 8451 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 03:09 pm: |
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I started drafting an answer, and gave up. There are too many yes, buts involved, since both forms cover a number of different but related cases. It's a case where I would know which was correct, but couldn't tell you why! |
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Student
Member Username: Student
Post Number: 126 Registered: 07-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 03:35 pm: |
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I found this at Foclóir Beag, http://www.csis.ul.ie/scripts/focweb/Exe/focloir.exe ab [aimsir chaite, foirm choibhneasta dhearfach dhíreach][modh coinníollach, foirm choibhneasta dhearfach dhíreach] ba [aimsir chaite, foirm dhíreach dhearfach][modh coinníollach, foirm dhearfach dhíreach][aimsir chaite, foirm choibhneasta dhearfach dhíreach][modh coinníollach, foirm choibhneasta dhearfach dhíreach] Ní leor teanga amháin www.irishbooksandgifts.com
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 8453 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 03:54 pm: |
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Exactly! There are so many of them. I was hoping one of the grammar geeks would step up to the plate. |
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Lars
Member Username: Lars
Post Number: 347 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 05:10 pm: |
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In Standard Irish there's the independent, absolute form ba and the direct relative form ab. And there's no relative clause in X ba ea Y (lit. "X, it is Y") So only ba ea should be expected. Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí: "14.62 Níl ach dhá fhoirm shimplí ag an gcopail (is é sin, dhá fhoirm nach bhfuil aon fheidhm eile acu ach feidhm briathair) - is, foirm na n-aimsirí príomha: is bó mhaith í;is amhlaidh atá - ba, foirm na n-aimsirí stairiúla: cat ba ea é; ba lách an duine é" But in Munster X ab ea Y is used throughout. Lars |
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Lars
Member Username: Lars
Post Number: 348 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:54 pm: |
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quote:But in Munster X ab ea Y is used throughout. Except for An Rinn: X badh ea Y is used there (badh /bəj/ old form of ba) Lars |
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 05:07 pm: |
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Nach mbaineann ab leis an chlásal choibhneasta amháin (gutaí agus f) An bhean ab fhiú a mharú an duine ab fhearr sa rang (is féidir ba a úsáid anseo chomh maith) An bhean ba chineálta ar domhan Ach ní leis chlásal choibhneasta amháin a bhaineann ba, nó tig a úsáid in aon ráitéas deimhneach, chomh maith: Is carr mór é Is mór an carr é. Ach san aimsir chaite: Ba charr mór é. Ba mhór an carr é. Ar ndóigh is le tuilleadh treise a chur ar fhocal a úsáidtear ba ea (is ea) chomh maith, Is buachaill é. ach Buachaill is ea é / Buachaill atá ann Ba bhuachaill é. ach Buachaill ba ea é / Buachaill a bhí ann. |
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(Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 02:33 pm: |
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Does ba ea exist? |
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Student
Member Username: Student
Post Number: 128 Registered: 07-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:08 pm: |
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quote:Does ba ea exist? 'Sea, sílim. From Gramadach Na Gaeilge, pg 81, Coinnitear foirmeacha na copaile scartha ón bhfocal ina ndiaidh, e.g. is é, is í, is iad, is ea (nó sea); ba é, ba í, ba iad, ba ea; srl. www.irishbooksandgifts.com
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Traveller (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 11:44 am: |
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When "ba" hits another vowel, it becomes "ab", as in: Agus mé ar scoil, ba mé an buachaill ab óige i mo rangsa. Séamas ab ainm dó. There's only two cases in which it doesn't become "ab": 1) When it's the first word in a clause: B'aoibhinn an lá é. B'álainn an cailín í. (You'd still use /b'/ in the following: Inné b'álainn an lá é) 2) Past tense for using adjectives to compare stuff: Bhí do leabharsa ní b'fhearr ná mo leabharsa. Bhí an cailín sin ní b'áille ná mo dheirfiúr. |
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