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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2009 (May-June) » Archive through June 12, 2009 » Cén chaoi a bhfuil tú? vs Conas atá tú? « Previous Next »

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Beer Werewolf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, May 29, 2009 - 11:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hey there,

I'm not a member, I'm just trawling the internet trying to learn Irish. I'm an Australian with Irish background and the only class they have here is just a bit out of my way (bloody public transport!) at the moment without a car.

I've been learning stuff online and a lot of sites say 'how are you' is 'conas atá tú?' or similar. Other places have things like 'cén chaoi a bhfuil tú'? and I've seen 'an bhfuil' used at the beginning of questions. I was looking on this board and found this site:

http://www.rte.ie/easyirish/aonad1.html

Which one is correct, why, and is it a dialect difference, or is one very basic Irish and the other more complex, more 'correct' or more or less formal?

Also, it has 'Is mise Aoife' for 'I'm Aoife'. How is this different to 'Táim Aoife?'

Go raibh maith agat, a chairde!

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Seán_Óg
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Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 10:56 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

dialectal difference

conas tá tú? - munster

cen chaoi a bhfuil tú? - connaught

cad é mar atá tú? - ulster

whatz a craic? - belfast!!

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Trigger
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Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 10:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Which one is correct, why, and is it a dialect difference, or is one very basic Irish and the other more complex, more 'correct' or more or less formal?


There are three dialects in the Irish language. Cad é mar atá tú is used in Ulster, ''cén chaoi a bhfuil tú'' in Connacht, and Conas tánn tú or conas taoi in Munster. ''Conas atá tú'' is in Standard Irish.

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Also, it has 'Is mise Aoife' for 'I'm Aoife'. How is this different to 'Táim Aoife?'


You can't use ''tá mé/táim'' with names/nouns.

Tá mé go maith = I am good
but
Is mise an duine is mó = I am the tallest person

Gaeilge go deo!

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Ggn
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Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 11:32 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"Conas tá tú"

... is often cited as standard Irish, however the standard does not stipulate this.

http://ec.europa.eu/translation/language_aids/freelance/documents/irish/an_caigh dean_2001_ga.pdf

It is commonly believed, possibly because Conas tá tú / Cionnas tá tú is the most classical form and is the only way of saying 'how are you' which is (or was known) in most dialects.

It isnt standard, but in my humble opinion, it certainly should be.

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Beer Werewolf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 11:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Guys, much appreciated, thank you!

That does make sense. I'd heard about the different dialects but wasn't sure. I'm downloading the PDF file, downloading any resource I can get! I'm not sure which dialect to stick to, because I've been learning I think Munster, but am not entirely sure either. Don't they speak much Irish in Belfast? :)

Also:

"Go raibh maith agat, a chairde!"

Should I have said "Go raibh maith agaibh"? Addressing more than one person? I realised after I'd posted it, I saw something similar with 'dia daoibh' for saying hello to multiple people.

Again, thank you very much, or ... go raibh míle maith agaibh! I'm getting there, retaining a few things I hope. You've cleared a couple of questions up I've been wondering about for ages. Might join up, people seem to enjoy discussing grammar and such here.



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