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Davemc
Member Username: Davemc
Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:47 am: |
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I live in the Cork suburb of Douglas. In Irish this is Dúglas but before the spelling reforms it was Dubhglas (which, incidentally, is still used by our local GAA club to this day). Assuming that the Irish place name came first, I'm puzzled as to how we ended up with 'Douglas' in English. Surely the Munster pronunciation of Dubhglas should have yielded something like 'Dovegloss'. It's as though the British Army cartographers had a Connacht man doing the anglicisation! |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 7988 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 10:36 am: |
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Ní dóigh liom é, nuair is comhfhocal atá i gceist. Bheadh dúghlas ceart ó dheas ansin leis, sílim. |
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Bearn
Member Username: Bearn
Post Number: 1007 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 11:39 am: |
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I would have thought it pronounced like 'dúlas' as Aonghus points out. Anglicization often went on the written word, not speech, Just because it is anglicized one way, does not mean it has a strong relation to the original. |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 285 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 05:40 am: |
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It is true often that the -bh ending was not pronounced with a v sound in many dialects of Irish..thank God for diversity even if it causes confusion with the standard pronunciation we learnt in school.. Duffy Dubhthaigh Dublin Dubhlinn Douglas(Isle of Mann) Dubhghlas Dougal Dubhgall etcetera etc |
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Bearn
Member Username: Bearn
Post Number: 1008 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 09:18 am: |
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The reason you have the ú sound is that the g became a gh, and then the gh wore away, lengthening the prior vowel. Duffy is with an f because the 'th' became a h which devoiced the bh to an f... I think 'Dublin' came about from non-Gaels not seeing the ponc and saying a b instead of a 'bh' |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 286 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 05:07 am: |
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Fergus Ferris Fearghus Angus Guinness Aonghus So many examples..interesting... |
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Taig (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 08:39 am: |
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No one mentioned that Douglas is the name of the capital city of the Isle of Man which is spelled in the Manx as "Doolish". I just saw a photo of the city's bilingual welcome sign, "Welcome to the BOROUGH OF DOUGLAS" and beneath that "Ta Balley Corpagh Ghoolish cur failt erriu" ("How Are Things in Corpagh Ghoolish?" sung to the tune from Finian's Rainbow) |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 287 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:17 am: |
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Fergal Farrell Fearghal |
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