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James_murphy
Member Username: James_murphy
Post Number: 198 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:08 pm: |
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I've noticed that lenition doesn't always follow feminine verbal nouns e.g. "ag forbairt gréasán". Is this a dialect thing? Séamus Ó Murċaḋa Go mBeannuiġe Dia Éire Naoṁṫa!
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Lars
Member Username: Lars
Post Number: 274 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:58 pm: |
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"Ainneoin a bhfuil ráite in 4.14, ní gnách séimhiú ar ghinideach ainmfhocail éiginnte nó ainm bhriathartha atá faoi réir ag ainmfhocal eile sna cásanna seo: [....] - ar lorg ainm bhriathartha a bhfuil réamhfhocal roimhe: ag tógáil potaí; a iarraidh comhairle; ar chosaint cathracha; ach amháin i leaganacha seanbhunaithe mar ag fáil bháis (bhisigh) Tá eisceachtaí eile ón riail seo le fáil sa teanga thall agus abhus, go háirithe le frásaí atá an-choitianta: ag cur choirce, ag baint mhóna, etc., ach arís ní athraíonn siad substaint na rialach." (Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí, 4.16) Lars |
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James_murphy
Member Username: James_murphy
Post Number: 199 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 07:30 pm: |
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Go raibh maith agat, a Lars. Séamus Ó Murċaḋa Go mBeannuiġe Dia Éire Naoṁṫa!
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 2570 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 10:25 pm: |
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In the earlier language though, you'd have a séimhiú on nouns after a verbal noun (preceded by ag), or at least after some of them. In the modern language, this rule has just been retained in some set phrases, as mentioned above by Lars. Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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