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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2008 (November-December) » Archive through December 08, 2008 » Verbal Noun Question « Previous Next »

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James_murphy
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 11-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I've noticed that lenition doesn't always follow feminine verbal nouns e.g. "ag forbairt gréasán".

Is this a dialect thing?

Séamus Ó Murċaḋa

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Lars
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Post Number: 274
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"Ainneoin a bhfuil ráite in 4.14, ní gnách séimhiú ar
ghinideach ainmfhocail éiginnte nó ainm bhriathartha
atá faoi réir ag ainmfhocal eile sna cásanna seo:
[....] - ar lorg ainm bhriathartha a bhfuil réamhfhocal roimhe:
ag tógáil potaí; a iarraidh comhairle; ar chosaint cathracha;
ach amháin i leaganacha seanbhunaithe mar ag fáil bháis (bhisigh)
Tá eisceachtaí eile ón riail seo le fáil sa teanga thall agus abhus,
go háirithe le frásaí atá an-choitianta: ag cur choirce, ag baint mhóna, etc.,
ach arís ní athraíonn siad substaint na rialach.
"
(Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí, 4.16)

Lars

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James_murphy
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 11-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 07:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Go raibh maith agat, a Lars.

Séamus Ó Murċaḋa

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 2570
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 10:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In the earlier language though, you'd have a séimhiú on nouns after a verbal noun (preceded by ag), or at least after some of them.
In the modern language, this rule has just been retained in some set phrases, as mentioned above by Lars.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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