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Sile
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 05:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Can someone give me an example in English of the Irish verb conjugations/moods/tenses.

Example: verb - to hear - Present, Past and Future is
hear, heard and will hear.

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I need the same example for the following:


As for the verbs:
For purposes of conjugation, the parts of the verb
are:
1) The verbal noun

2) The verbal adjective or "past participle"

3) The "conjugated" forms of the verb (8 "tenses")
INDICATIVE MOOD
i) The present tense
ii)a) The past habitual or imperfect tense
b) The past non-habitual or preterite tense
iii) The future tense
iv) The conditional tense
SUBJUNCTIVE MOOD
i) present tense- subj.
ii) past tense- subj.
IMPERATIVE MOOD
i) imperative "tense"

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 345
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 06:16 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

There's an online conjugator at http://www.englishirishdictionary.com/dictionary, another at http://verbix.com/languages/irish.shtml, and still another at http://www.csis.ul.ie/focloir/. Any one of these will be able to answer your question.

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Daveithink
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Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 06:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post



(Message edited by daveithink on November 24, 2008)

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Sile
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 10:34 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A chara, Daveithink


Thanks for your RSVP. I did look up a verb conjugator on one of the sites you referred me to. It's listed below.
The conjugation of Irish verbs is available in many books and dictionaries. That wasn't quite my question.
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Not mentioned and what I am having difficulty understanding is those left out.

- Preterite, Subjunctive. I don't know how they would even be said in English.


Nor do we have a Conditional in English so I can't figure what the conditional would mean. My guess: - I might be.

The Past Habitual and Non Past Habitual - does that relate to English pluperfect or past perfect - is it as simple as I did or did not.

Hope this clarifies my question more. Thanks for the help.
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Dictionary look-up word: bí; tá

Indicative

Conditional

Imperative

Present
1 sg. táim; bím
2 sg. tá tú; bíonn tú
3 sg. tá sé; bíonn sé
1 pl. táimid; bímid
2 pl. tá sibh; bíonn sibh
3 pl. tá siad; bíonn siad
Pass. táthar; bítear


Past
1 sg. bhí mé
2 sg. bhí tú
3 sg. bhí sé
1 pl. bhíomar
2 pl. bhí sibh
3 pl. bhí siad
Pass. bhíothas


Future
1 sg. beidh mé
2 sg. beidh tú
3 sg. beidh sé
1 pl. beimid
2 pl. beidh sibh
3 pl. beidh siad
Pass. beifear



Imperfect
1 sg. bhínn
2 sg. bhiteá
3 sg. bhíodh sé
1 pl. bhímis
2 pl. bhíodh sibh
3 pl. bhídís
Pass. bhití


Conditional
1 sg. bheinn
2 sg. bheifeá
3 sg. bheadh sé
1 pl. bheimis
2 pl. bheadh sibh
3 pl. bheidís
Pass. bheifí


Imperative

2 sg. bí


2 pl. bígí


Nominal forms

Verbal adjective/Past participle
tátha

Verbal Noun

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Trigger
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Post Number: 244
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 11:46 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Why can't we just say Bhí muid than ''bhíomar''? Same for Tá muid...

(Message edited by Trigger on November 25, 2008)

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 12:21 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Bhí cara Francacha agam nuair a bhíos in ollscoil. Nuair chur mé ceist "cén fáth" uirthi, a deir sí lom láithreach "parce que c'est comme ça!"

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 346
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 02:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

Why can't we just say Bhí muid than ''bhíomar''? Same for Tá muid.


Féadair aon rud ab maith liom a rá, a Thrigger, ach beidse ag leanúint de bheith a rá "bhíomar" agus "táimid" toisc gur siadsan na foirmeacha atá im chaint féin.

A Shíle:

quote:

Not mentioned and what I am having difficulty understanding is those left out.


Those what left out?

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Preterite, Subjunctive. I don't know how they would even be said in English.


"Preterite" is another term for "past tense". Keep in mind, though, that the Irish preterite corresponds to both the English simple past ("I heard") and the English perfect ("I have heard").

The subjunctive has no equivalent in Modern English.[*] It's pretty much dead in Modern Irish, too, outside of a few fixed expressions ("Go raibh maith agat" being the most common of these). You really don't need to worry about it unless you plan to read a lot of early modern literature.

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Nor do we have a Conditional in English so I can't figure what the conditional would mean. My guess: - I might be.


Not as a distinct tense, but the Irish conditional normally corresponds to use of the "would" in English, e.g. chloisfinn é "I would hear it" (e.g. "if you would be quiet for a moment").

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The Past Habitual and Non Past Habitual - does that relate to English pluperfect or past perfect - is it as simple as I did or did not.


No, "habitual" refers to something done on a customary basis. The closest English equivalent to the Irish past habitual is the construction with "used to", e.g. Bheinn ag dul ar scoil "I used to be going to school".


[*] (Yes, I know, "If I were..." etc., but I prefer to call this "irrealis", since its usage is much more limited than that of the forms called "subjunctive" in other languages I speak.)


(Message edited by Domhnaillín_Breac_na_dTruslóg on November 25, 2008)

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 347
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 02:35 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Oh, and, a Shíle, if you simply go the first conjugator I listed above (http://www.englishirishdictionary.com/dictionary) you'll find that it includes English glosses alongside the Irish forms. Go mbaine tú tairbhe as! (Another example of a frozen subjunctive.)

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Trigger
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 03:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

GRMA a Dhomhnaillín

Hows the Cork Irish going? :-)

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Sile
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 03:54 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

GRMA - I got it now

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 04:42 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Och, tá sé ar siúl go réasúnta maith agam, a Thrigger, go raibh maith agat. I láthair na huaire táim ag foghlaim Hiondúise leis, mar sin níl go leor ama agam agus gleic is ea ná fuilim ag cailleadh an bheagáinín atá ar eolas agam cheana!

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 05:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

Why can't we just say Bhí muid than ''bhíomar''? Same for Tá muid...



Because Standard Irish is stupid...
Anyway you can say an write whatever you want, you won't be send to jail for that...
You know how I write in Irish ;-)

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Féadair aon rud ab maith liom a rá, a Thrigger, ach beidse ag leanúint de bheith a rá "bhíomar" agus "táimid" toisc gur siadsan na foirmeacha atá im chaint féin.



Ní go díreach, ó tharla nach bhfuil -amar ná -aimid i Mumhan (ná i gcanúint ar bith, b'fhéidir) :

-amair
-aimíd

atá agaibhse.
I think they've chosen -amar and -aimid in the standard because they are historical form (I think) but no longer used. There are many things in the standard that aren't used in any living dialect... That's just completely stupid... Anyway.

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The subjunctive has no equivalent in Modern English.[*]



no it's the "may he..." stuff. May you know = Bíodh a fhios agad

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Nor do we have a Conditional in English so I can't figure what the conditional would mean. My guess: - I might be.



"I would do" is the English conditional. Dhéanfainn.

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No, "habitual" refers to something done on a customary basis. The closest English equivalent to the Irish past habitual is the construction with "used to", e.g. Bheinn ag dul ar scoil "I used to be going to school".



Your Irish sentence is in the conditional (I would be going to school (if...).
The past habitual is "Théinn ar scoil" (I used to go).

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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