Cén fáth ní ndúirt sú talún, "go mbuanaí Dia sinn?"

A silly sieve?

Féach sainmhíniú a trí ag: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riddle

"Cén fáth nach ndúirt an sú talún..." ?

Níl a fhios agamsa!

An focal atá uait, dála an scéil, ná "tomhas".

Cén fáth nach ndúirt na sú talún "Go mbuanaí Dia sinn?"

Glacaim leis nach maith leo bheith i subh.....

Ach ní dóigh liom go bhfeidhmíonn an imeartas focail i nGaeilge.


Leasaítear torthaí de réir de Bhaldraithe!

Ná ní raibh an brí sin ar riddle agam. Táim ag foghlaim idir Béarla agus Gaeilge anocht...

A silly sieve?

Foclóir Scoile: "criathar m1 sieve; riddle

Sea, ach...féach riddle faoin nasc a thug Dennis thuas. Tá sé ilbhríoch!

criathar [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
árthach agus tóin líontáin ann, nó é lán de phoill chun mion agus garbh a scagadh ó chéile; cíor (criathar meala); talamh bog riascach.

tomhas [ainm briathartha][ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
miosúr; tógáil miosúir (teach, talamh, a thomhas); caitheamh tuairime (tomhais cé atá anseo); ceist le réiteach (tomhas a chur ar dhuine); bagairt (thomhais sé a dhorn liom); meá, meas (caint thomhaiste).

A Aonghuis,

Is docha go is imeartas focal é -- in áit 'a riddle.' Agus bhí mé ag sugradh imBéarla. An freagra --
"Mar bhí sí i subh cheana féin."

preserve = jam

Thuig mé é sin.

Ceann maith atá ann - i mBéarla [Mheiriceá!].

Ach, faraor, ní fheidhmíonn sé i nGaeilge, toisc gur [ar a laghad] dhá fhocal éagsúla atá ann ar na bríonna ar leith a chlúdaíonn preserve.

Mar atá fíor faoi criathar agus tomhas!

Is minic deacracht mar sin le greann.

Is firic é sin. A leithéid seo -- is dorcha go déarfainn "ní oibrionn sé i nGaeilge" in áit
"ní fheidhmíonn."

Is Béarla ag dul riocht Gaeilge mo Ghaeilge.

Ach, is tar éis ag foghlaim é atá mé.

Ní bheadh oibríonn mí cheart, sa chás seo [is dóigh liom, ach seans go bhfuilim féin faoi anáil an Bhéarla!]

The word "riddle/tomhas" also means to puncture some "thing" full of holes, which to me makes that "thing" into a sieve. Seems like there is a connection between riddle as a tricky question and riddle as punching something full of holes.

Riddle me this, but don't riddle me (full of holes!).

But only in English!

tomhas does not have that meaning, it is also not covered by criathair. The verb would probably be "poll"

See the link Dennis gave above for the various meanings of riddle in English.

This thread turns on the fact, God preserve us, that ambiguities or words with more than one meaning are not preserved by translation!

This whole area is boggy (c.f. the final meaning for criathar above!)

polladh [ainm briathartha][ainmfhocal firinscneach]
poll a dhéanamh (i rud).



http://www.focal.ie/Search.aspx?term=riddle

Or maybe bréifnigh

http://www.focal.ie/Search.aspx?term=perforate

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The word "riddle/tomhas" also means to puncture some "thing" full of holes

If that metaphor in English works for you, play with it. But it's not supported etymologically. The words for "riddle = sieve" in the Celtic, Romanic and Germanic branches of IE all come from the same PIE radical, *krei- (= to sieve, separate):

Latin "crîbrum" (French "crible")
Old English "hriddel"
Old Irish "críathar"

Ar an láimh eile, tháinig an focal Béarla "riddle = conundrum" ó "rædels(e) = barúil, tomhas" an tSean-Bhéarla, a bhfuil gaol gairid aige le "ræden = comhairligh". Tháing an briathar "read" i mBéarla an lae inniu ón bhfocal céanna.

Thanks for the clarification Aonghus and Dennis. In my stuggle with translating the Irish, I lost sight of what you've explained above. I'll enjoy translating - better yet, understanding - what you wrote in Irish above.

(Message edited by student on September 01, 2008)

Riddle me this, Batman. And so all the time he was just trying to 'read' him...

quote:

a bhfuil gaol gairid aige le "ræden = comhairligh".

Guter Rat ist teuer! Seachas thart anseo, ar ndóigh!

Dúirt Aonghus: ach seans go bhfuilim féin faoi anáil an Bhéarla!

Tá gach an duine i mBaile Átha Cliath faoi anáil an Bhéarla. Nach fíor sin?

There are some interesting worms in this can we've opened. Needless to say, I'll never use criathar again unless it's to strain vegetables. This thread has been quite a strain é féin.

Fan go fóill, a chairde. Tá dhá cuiteoga eile agam: is siothlán agus stráinín iad. Bainigi sult as.

dhá chuiteog = two earthworms

Céard anois??

recte: síothlán

Agus, más "cairde" atá i gceist agat, ba cheart duit "fanaigí" a rá.

Dúirt Pádraig ar 11:43 a chlog inniu:

There are some interesting worms in this can we've opened.

Tá an dúrud focail ar aon chiall ar fáil, a Phádraig.

Go gcumhdaí Dia sinn go léir, go dtí gur léir go bhfuil an criathar stoptha againn!

Go gcumhdaí Dia sinn go léir, go dtí gur léir go bhfuil an criathar stoptha againn!

An bhfuil an abairt seo agam?

May God preserve us so completely that we have a completely stopped up sieve.

Is dócha go bhfuil Aonghus ina chodladh faoin am seo, mar sin tabharfaidh iarracht ar an abairt seo a mhíniú duit thar a cheann (= on his behalf):

Go gcumhdaí Dia = may God protect

sinn go léir = us entirely = all of us

go dtí = until

gur léir = (that) it is clear

go bhfuil an criathar = that the sieve is

stoptha againn = stopped up by us

Bhíos, im shámhchodladh.

Bhí imeartas breise focail i gceist freisin.

"Go gcumhdaí Dia" an Ghaeilge a chuirfinnse ar "May God preserve us"


Agus is ionann criathar agus riasc nó bogach!

Maidir le stoptha, séard a bhí i gceist agam nach silfidh rud ar bith eile ón gcriathar.

Le cré buí agus bualtrach a bhaintear sin amach san scéal bealoidis....

Bhí sé agam. Bhuel, ba beacht go leor mo mhinúi; tá súil agam.

Tóg go bog é. Dul ar aghaidh vs. foirfeacht.
Go raibh maith agat, a D.