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Seabhac
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Username: Seabhac
Post Number: 45
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 11:27 am: |   
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This was taken from the grammar section in Daltai.com.
Nífí síad murach an easpa uisce. They would be washed but for the lack of water.
Should it be "nífí síad" and not íad? |
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Lars
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Username: Lars
Post Number: 254
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 11:44 am: |
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Nífí iad. = They would be washed. (lit. "One would wash them.")
Autonomuous forms require é, í, iad as objects.
Lars |
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Sieirál
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Username: Sieirál
Post Number: 47
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 09:30 am: |
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Sorry but what is "nifi" I have never seen it used before now.
Sieirál
Go raibh maith agaibh. |
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Aonghus
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Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 7388
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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ní [ainm briathartha][ainmfhocal baininscneach den cheathrú díochlaonadh]
glanadh le huisce, le gallúnach agus araile.
It is the autonmous form of the Modh coinníollach of "to wash"
M. COINN.
nífinn
nífeá
nífeadh sé
nífeadh sí
nífimis
nífeadh sibh
nífidís
Sb.
nífí |
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Sieirál
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Username: Sieirál
Post Number: 49
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 02:22 pm: |
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Feicim! :) Go raibh mo agat, a hAonghus. |
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Lars
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Username: Lars
Post Number: 256
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 02:56 pm: |
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Dála an scéil: "a Aonghus", gan h, le do thoil.
Lars |
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Sieirál
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Username: Sieirál
Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 03:54 pm: |
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I thought it was supposed to have an "h" whether or not it had a vowel or consanant.???
Go raibh maith agat, a Lars. |
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Lars
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Username: Lars
Post Number: 260
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 04:24 pm: |
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No, no.
To prefix an h before vowels is completely different to putting an h after consonants. In fact prefixed h occurs never if consonants would be lenited in same position.
Compare:
Lenition, but no h-prefix:
"a Shieiráil!", "a Aonghus!" (adressing people)
But:
No lenition and no eclipsis, but h-prefix:
"a saol" (her life), "a húll" (her apple)
Lars
(Message edited by lars on August 18, 2008) |
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Aonghus
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Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 7390
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 04:33 pm: |
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A Aonghuis, le bhur dtoil! |
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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Username: Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
Post Number: 85
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 04:40 pm: |
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I thought it was supposed to have an "h" whether or not it had a vowel or consanant.
I don't think that's true in any circumstance in Irish. The words and particles which prefix h (e.g. a "her", chomh "as", dara "second", le "with", etc.) never cause séimhiú and those which cause séimhiú never prefix h.
There are some "two-way" particles that cause séimhiú in one circumstance and prefix h in another, such as do and ní. But, again, these functions are strictly segregated: D'óladh sé é and Do thógadh sé é (active imperfect) but do hóladh é and do tógadh é (impersonal past).
(Ceartúcháin ag éinne?) |
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Lars
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Username: Lars
Post Number: 262
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:56 pm: |
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quote:A Aonghuis, le bhur dtoil! A Aonghuis, Shílfinn gurbh é "Aonghusa" foirm an ghinidigh uatha d'"Aonghus". Agus mar sin, bheadh "a Aonghus" ina ghairmeach uatha. Lars (Message edited by lars on August 18, 2008) |
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Aonghus
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Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 7392
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 06:09 am: |
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B'fhéidir é.
Ach Aonghusa agus a Aonghuis atáimse ag clos fad mo shaol! |
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