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James_murphy
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Username: James_murphy

Post Number: 152
Registered: 11-2005


Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

According to "Gnás na Gaedhilge" the Munster form ("go") of the indirect relative particle ("a") actually comes from "ag a" as in the following examples from Céitinn:
"An ceirtbhreitheamh ag a raibhe an Iodh Morainn aige";
"Ón muicidhe ag a raibhe i gcoimhéad aige".

I had assumed is was from "go" as used with indirect speech.

Séamus Ó Murchadha

Go mBeannuighe Dia Éire Naomhtha!

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Antain
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Username: Antain

Post Number: 17
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 05:52 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

That's very interesting. To this day there is a tendency to repeat the preposition in Munster Irish e.g. 'fear darb ainm dó Seán' rather than 'fear darb ainm Seán' or 'fear arb ainm dó Seán'.

But it doesn't really explain why 'go' should be used in the absence of 'ag' e.g. 'Sin é an fear go rabhas ag caint leis' nó 'Sin í an bhean go rabhamar ag caint fúithi.' The prepositions in those sentences are 'le' and 'faoi' rather than 'ag'. Perhaps 'ag' has been generalised to cover all eventualities?

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Bearn
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Post Number: 599
Registered: 06-2007


Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 07:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

More I see, the more I think Irish was easier centuries ago!

sold!

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Sieirál
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá sé sin grannmhar, a Bhearn!



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