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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2008 (March- April) » Archive through April 15, 2008 » How are Pro-verbs handled in Irish? « Previous Next »

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Bearn
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Username: Bearn

Post Number: 489
Registered: 06-2007


Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 06:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

From Wikipedia:

"In grammar, a pro-verb is a word or phrase that stands in place of a verb (for example, in order that the verb not need to be repeated). It does for a verb what the more widely known pronoun does for a noun."

Given Irish is more noun-orientated, does it need it less than English, and what sort of sentences would use pro-verb constructions?

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Ingeborg
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 03-2008


Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 07:37 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I thought in English proverbs are coined expressions like "barking dogs don't bite" which are used in a fixed way to express some folk wisdom, is'nt it?

Your definition sound more like a passepartout-verb like:

"I am singing. Do you? Yes, I do it." where "do" replaces "sing".

In Irish you don't even replace the original verb in saying "yes" and "no", (ie. An rachaidh tú ann? Rachaidh) so I don't think "pro-verbs" are an important feature of Irish.

But here are more proficient speakers who may know more about it.

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 08:30 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It seems like in all Celtic languages, you'd use the verb "to do" as a pro-verb.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Bearn
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Post Number: 490
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Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:08 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"express some folk wisdom, is'nt it? "

proverb vs pro-verb (hence the dash!)


""I am singing. Do you? Yes, I do it." where "do" replaces "sing". "

Exactly. Just one thing -it should be 'I sing/play etc Do/Can you (too)? Yes, I do/can (too)'.


"It seems like in all Celtic languages, you'd use the verb "to do" as a pro-verb."

As in for example:

Q: An scríobh tú do cheachtanna, a mhac?
A: Déan

?

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 423
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:05 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Seems to me it's more like verbs are sometimes simply omitted rather than replaced:

Cóta deas é sin ort, a Cháit.

There isn't a verb in that sentence but it's clearly understood.



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