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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 1227 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 11:08 pm: |
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Alright, so Munster still uses do+ when conjugating verbs in the past tense. Is this confined to one pocket of Munster or is it indicative of all the Munster pockets? Are there exceptions when it comes to when the particle is used, or do the places that use it use it whenever they are speaking in the past tense? I am somewhat interested in information specific to An Rinn, as I've read that it is the closest living dialect to my family's native Tipp. |
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Seaghán (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:55 am: |
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Well, it was originally used everywhere, including Tipperary. The further you go back in time, the closer you get to Classical Irish. I don't have the Ring book, but I would suggest it is like saying "I don't know" and "I do not know" in English. No one will use the full form every time, but then no one uses the colloquial variant all the time either. The works of Peadar Ua Laoghaire show frequent use of do, but he often leaves it out too, especially in front of bhí. |
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Róman
Member Username: Róman
Post Number: 1240 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 02:22 am: |
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Do is never used in front of several verbs like "feadar" or "fuaras", also "duart", "duas" (I ate) have do incorporated into their stem, so no second do is required. Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 1228 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 08:09 am: |
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well, I would imagine that all the regular F and vowel verbs just take the d' which has become the standard all over. I'm interested to know which ones incorporate it already like duart (hadn't heard of duas)...I suppose that any verb that includes it in the past tense form would have to be by definition irregular, so they should be easy to spot because they'll start with D in the past tense. I'll have to go through my verb book when I get back from work. |
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Abigail
Member Username: Abigail
Post Number: 713 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 08:34 am: |
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Suimiúil. Comhairle do fuaireas-sa amuigh ar an mbóthar Ó rógaire sagairt, an seanduine do phósadh Gur chuma leis siúd ach go méadóinn a phóca 'S go mbeinnse fad a mhairfinn ag brath ar na comharsan'. An bhfuil an chéad do ina réamhfhocal nó ina mhír bhriathair? Ghlac mé leis i gcónaí gur mír a bhí ann, ach b'fhéidir go raibh dul amú orm. Tá fáilte roimh chuile cheartú!
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 6922 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 08:56 am: |
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Réamhfhocal, dar liom. Ag tagairt don Chomhairle. D'fheadfaí é scríobh ar mhalairt slí Fuaireas-sa comhairle amuigh ar an mbóthar. |
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Abigail
Member Username: Abigail
Post Number: 714 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 09:10 am: |
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Oops! Gabh mo leithscéal. Ní hé "réamhfhocal" gur chóir dom a scríobh ar chor ar bith, ach "mír choibhneasta." Bhí speabhraídí orm. Is amhlaidh nach bhfuil a fhios agam cé acu seo atá ann: "Do fuaireas-sa comhairle" (ach curtha in ord eile mar a deir tú - tarlaíonn a leithéid scaití in amhráin) nó "[Is é an] comhairle do fuaireas-sa" ("do" = "a" sa gCaighdeán) Tá fáilte roimh chuile cheartú!
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 6923 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 10:41 am: |
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N'fheadar. Cuireann ceisteanna dá shórt tinneas cinn orm má ním iarracht macnamh orthu! Fágfad faoi aos ghramadaí é. |
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