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Bearn
Member Username: Bearn
Post Number: 349 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 11:51 pm: |
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Haigh, I've noticed something while looking at a phrase book: Tá tinneas fiacaile orm "Stands sickness of teeth on me" 'I have a toothache' Tá orm an fiaclóir a fhéiceáil "Stands on me the dentist a seeing" 'I have to see a dentist' It looks like the 'state of' (status) coded by 'ar' (orm here) has been fronted, that is, a personal status or personal/subjective experience has been brought to the fore to show it is important, very important, so modality has been born of 'expression of status' x 'tagging (fronting) mechanism'. Other examples?: Tá Gaeilg agam -I have Irish Tá agam Gaeilg a labhairt -I must Irish a speak *Tá carr liom Is liom an carr seo le díol
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Lars
Member Username: Lars
Post Number: 201 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 11:05 am: |
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But is this (tá ... ar ... -> tá ar ... a ...) really English influence? I'd think it's normal to move long phrases to the end of sentences, especially clause-like verbal noun phrases. "Tá agam Gaeilge a labhairt" is an anglicism because English "have to" is rendered by "tá ag ... a" The sentence "Is liom an carr seo" is very different. "liom" is predicate, "an carr seo" is subject. So it's normal Irish word order. "*Is (í/é) an carr seo liom" would be ungrammatical. Lars (Message edited by Lars on January 17, 2008) |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 2224 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 01:08 pm: |
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>Tá agam Gaeilg a labhairt -I must Irish a speak If you wanna say I must, you say "Tá agam LE Gaeilg a labhairt". >*Tá carr liom means "I’ve brought a car" Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 6790 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 05:07 pm: |
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Tá orm Gaeilge a labhairt a bheadh agamsa. Tá amhras orm faoi "Tá agam" Ach feicim ó Tobar na Gaedhilge go bhfuil sé ag Máire 7 rl, ach mar a deir Lughaidh "Tá agam le" atá i gceist i gcónaí. (Message edited by aonghus on January 17, 2008) |
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