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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (November-December) » Archive through December 08, 2007 » Ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anamacha « Previous Next »

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Jaygon
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 11:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello all,
I wonder if anybody can answer this query:

"May their souls be at the right hand of God":
ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anamacha

ar dheis Dé go raibh an-anam

which of the above is correct?

I would have said that the first was correct but a friend of mine claims that she remembers a rule in grammar which states that the singular of the noun must be used in a case such as the above. Something to do with possession.
Can anyone recall the rule she is talking about or confirm which sentence is correct?
Thanks in advance,Jay.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6600
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 12:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post


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Jaygon
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 07:38 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Is there a reason why the singular of the noun is used?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6610
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Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 08:21 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It isn't.

ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anamacha

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Dave_gallagher
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 08:35 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

tuairim eile, áfach:

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/cruinneas/beinn.htm
quote:

Séamus 'ac Grianna: Nuair a Bhí Mé Óg, lch 162, líne 1
Bhí siad ar ndóighe 'na bhfearaibh maithe cneasta, agus beinn ar a n-anam aca.

Tabhair faoi dear go dtéid cneastacht le beinn a bheith agat ar d'anam.
Ar phoinnte gramadaighe: beinn acu ar a n-anam (chan "ar a n-anamnacha").


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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6614
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Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 08:48 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I mo thuairim:
Tá anam gach fhir faoi léith i gceist anseo.
Is trua nach ndeachaigh Ciarán níos doimhne lena léargas.


Hmm.
Ach is cosúil go bhfuil an dá nós ann.

http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22ar+dheis+D%C3%A9+go+raibh+a+n-anam%22&hl=en&rls =GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-39,GGLJ:en-GB&start=10&sa=N

Tá amhras orm faoi mór chuid na samplaí úd, caithfidh mé a rá. Ach má tá "a n-anam" acu i dtaifeád an tSeanaid, caithfidh sé go bhfuil bunús éigin leis.



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