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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6464
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 12:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=2559&viewby=date

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A directive from Education Minister Mary Hanafin that Gaelscoileanna should begin teaching English to pupils no later than the second term of junior infants has been subjected to legal challenge.

The High Court yesterday granted a temporary injunction to two Gaelscoileanna and An Foras Pátrúnachta which is patron body to 54 all-Irish primary schools, restraining the minister from implementing the circular letter issued in July.


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Do_chinniúint
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 01-2007


Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I am not totally certain I understand this move?

Isn't the goal of Gaelscoileanna to have an all Irish education? Isn't this a slap in the face and negate what they are trying to do?

Who is wanting this to happen? Are there specific groups of people fighting for this to happen...or is this a political move for other reasons?

I understand that they are addressing a very young age, however, I am not certain if I can see any good for the Irish language coming from this?

This appears to be the actions of people who fear that the product of these schools is going to be an Irish only student! This is not going to be happing anytime soon because the moment the student steps out into the streets, or watches a television show, they will be thrown back into an English speaking Ireland...

Or is there more to this that I am not seeing?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6465
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Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 05:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

No, except that that which is clear to you, is not clear to our department of education, all but 3% of the staff of which are unable to conduct their business in Irish.

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Riona
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Post Number: 1257
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Dho_chinniuint a chara,

You are correct in having indignation about the situation as you see it. I think maybe what they mean is that they want to start teaching written English at this time, as in so the kids can understand the spelling rules and how they differ from the Irish spelling rules they will soon be learning. This is merely my understanding of what they might mean. I'd appreciate correction if I'm mistaken.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Domhnall
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Post Number: 1278
Registered: 06-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post


A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river

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Do_chinniúint
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Post Number: 183
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Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Domhnall,

My Irish isn't strong enough for this article...was it going along with the one Aonghus gave us? Or was it challenging it?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6471
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Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Do Chinnúint, I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick.

The Minister and Dept of Education have ordered gaelscoileanna to teach at least half an hour of english daily, starting in junior infants.

Gaelscoileanna are fighting this, and the courts have suspended the Minister's order, for now.

If you have a look at the cuttings (Gearrthóga Laethon www.gaelport.com, you will find various stories, although as usual the most comprehensive and accurate will be in Irish.

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings

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Do_chinniúint
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 01-2007


Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

There is no question that my lack of Irish is a serious cause of my problems..LOL

When it comes to stories like this, I usually look through it to see if I can recognize any words. Sometimes I knew enough of them to piece together the story, but like this one...I was clueless.

I just find it interesting that an official action has been taken that seems to directly go against what took an official action to start!

It took a lot of hard work to get the all Irish education going.

I think that something like is not a proverbial "pebble in their shoe." It seems to me more like a proverbial "rusty razor blade in their shoe." They may not worry about it because they may not feel it right away, but they will feel the cut and it could be fatal ;0)

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 6472
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Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 01:21 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Gaelscoileanna are a grassroots movement. No gaelscoil has yet been founded without a fight with Roinn an Éadóchais.

This folly is also being fought; on the streets, in the schools, and in the courts.



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