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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (November-December) » Archive through November 07, 2007 » The end of Irish in the legal system! « Previous Next »

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Eoin
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2004


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:16 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Má aontaíonn tú leis an achaine seo téir ag:
http://www.petitiononline.com/cosain7/petition.html

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Chuig: Páirtí an Lucht Oibre (English version below)

Tá bille á bhrú ag Urlabhraí na Gaeilge i bPáirtí an Lucht Oibre chun scrúdú béil agus riachtanas Ghaeilge do dhlíodóirí a chur ar ceal.
Iarrann na daoine thíosluaite ar Pháirtí an Lucht Oibre a aithint

1. Go ndéanfaidh an bille seo dochar do stádas agus d'úsáid na Gaeilge go ginearálta, agus go háirithe do stádas na Gaeilge sa chóras dlí.
2. Go mbeidh sé dodhéanta ag cainteoirí Gaeilge a gcearta a fháil i gcúirteanna na tíre seo, ma ghlactar leis an mbille seo.

3. Gur chóir go mbeadh cásanna agus seirbhísí Ghaeilge á dtairiscint i ngach cúirt sa tír, chun comhionannas a thabhairt do chainteoirí Gaeilge, seachas a bheith ag moladh go mbainfí cearta uathu.

4. Go mbeidh bagairt ar chearta Bunreachtúla na Gaeilge i gceist leis an mbille seo, ós í an Ghaeilge ár gcéad teanga náisiúnta. Beidh impleachtaí ann chomh maith do stádas na Gaeilge san Eoraip, áit a bhfuil éileamh ar dhlíodóirí le Gaeilge.

5. Go mbeidh impleachtaí ann freisin do neamhspleáchais na tíre. Má chuirtear an scrúdú béil Ghaeilge ar ceal, agus riachtanais na Gaeilge do dhlíodóirí na tíre seo, beidh ár gcóras dlí in ann sleamhnú isteach faoi chóras dlí Shasana arís, mar a bhí roimh 1921. Is ait an bille é seo ag teacht ó pháirtí atá ag maíomh go leanann siad Séamuis O Conghaile, agus go seasann siad do chosmhuintir na hÉireann agus do mhuintir na Gaeltachta.

Iarrann muid ar Pháirtí an Lucht Oibre an bhille seo a tharraingt siar.


If you agree with this petion, please go to:
<http://www.petitiononline.com/cosain7/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/cosain7/petition.html

To: The Labour Party
A bill is being proposed by the Labour Party Spokesman on the Irish language to end the required oral Irish exam for solicitors and barristers.
The undersigned ask the Labour Party to recognise
1. That this bill will damage the status and usage of the Irish language generally, and especially damage the status of Irish in the legal system.
2. That it will be impossible for Irish speakers to obtain their rights in the courts of this country if this bill is passed.
3.That court cases and services in Irish should be offered in all Irish courts, in order to give equal rights to Irish speakers, rather than proposing to take away these rights.
4. That this bill will pose a threat to the Irish language under the Constitution, as our first official language. There will also be implications for the status of the Irish language in Europe, where Irish-speaking lawyers are in demand.
5. That this bill has implications for the coutnry's independence. If the requirement for an oral Irish exam for lawyers is abolished, our legal system will be able to slide back into the English legal system, as matters stood before 1921. This bill is a very strange proposal from a party which claims to follow James Connolly, and to defend the rights of Irish working people, including those in the Gaeltachtaí.
We the undersigned ask the Labour Party to withdraw this bill.


If you agree with this petition, please go to: http://www.petitiononline.com/cosain7/petition.html

Nuacht Ghaeltacht na Gaillimhe agus Deisceart Mhuigheó http://anghaeltacht.net/ce

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Seosamh
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:19 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá sé tábhachtach an síniúchán seo a chur thart i measc do chairde.

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Asarlaí
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Username: Asarlaí

Post Number: 188
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Chuir mé m'ainm leis an achainí.. grma

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Trigger
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 02:43 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Rinn mé an achainí seo, taispeánfaidh mé seo air fóram eile.

Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam.

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Diarmo
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Post Number: 254
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:34 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

who will vote for them because of this? is mor an náir!

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Riona
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Username: Riona

Post Number: 1251
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I signed it gladly. It is important to not give any ground to those who want to see Irish used less, especially when they want to take away oppertunities for Irish speakers to conduct affairs in the language of their choice.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Antaine
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Post Number: 1113
Registered: 10-2004


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

something i'm curious about with these petitions...politicians care about votes that keep them in office, and money that gets more votes.

Why do Irish politicians give one hoot what nonvoting, nonIrishmen say? Even if they can't tell from the petition who lives where, they have to know that they're going around the internet and a good portion, if not majority of the signatories are never going to have the opportunity to vote them in or out of office...

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 2063
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Aye, maybe if all the people who like Irish on earth sign that petition, they'd have more signatures than the number of Irish citizens :-D

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Asarlaí
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yeah, that'd learn 'em :0)

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brn (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 07:11 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think we are seeing an historical overhang here. Irish people are very legalistically minded (it makes them feel safe).

However, you will not easily get a case heard in Irish, so what is the point of the law?

People need to start to self-actualize -its your intent that matters. If you want Irish community, make it happen. You can have your laws in Irish then, and no one will be able to stop you. It's what the English did for centuries and forced it on the Gaelic populas. For example, if there were 5 Gaeltactaí nuaidh in an electoral unit numbering even 1500 adults, they could swing votes for at least 2 candidates out of 5. You could force a situation where candidates are forced to look to the Gaelic vote to get a Dáil seat.

People are trying this in reverse, without first understanding the economic and socio-linguistic conditions do not favour the language with or without laws. Laws are there to bend and focus intent and the possibilities of action. We are humans, not machines -machines follow laws, we make laws and laws follow our collective intent. If ye wait for laws, ye are letting others decide to what degree you can speak or act out the goal. If they say 'no Irish' then by the logic expressed by so many gaeilgeoirí, one has lost. I'd say **** 'em, and bull on regardless.

If everyone works together and gives of their skills, what has passed can be reversed

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Antaine
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Post Number: 1114
Registered: 10-2004


Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

>gasp< ...you mean...they have to *USE* it, too....?

::scratches head::

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Riona
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Post Number: 1252
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 06:50 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I realize that this is just an online petition and really doesn't count for much in the end, especially since a lot of the signers won't be voting in the Irish elections. I still think it is a good idea to sign it, if not for anything else then to show that we care about the issue. What if on the out chance it does end up making an impact? It is hard not to be critical of efforts that seem to be going nowhere, like an online petition but one never knows what will happen and so one ought to at least try.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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brn (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 07:23 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Of course, it would be good to have as much legal codes on the side of Irish, I don't dispute that, I just said what I did in the context of the story of the fellow thrown into jail for requesting proceedings i nGaeilg, and he was the plaintiff...or did I just imagine that?

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brn (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 05:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Then again, the last native speakers in Limerick owned the river bed, but the state wanted it for hydro electric power. A number of them were shot and the river taken from them. No compensation.

Irish has just happened to fall on the wrong side of self interest

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Seosamh
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 03:56 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post




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