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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (July-August) » Archive through August 30, 2007 » Sounding f in 'fein' when a prefix « Previous Next »

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Bearn
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Username: Bearn

Post Number: 288
Registered: 06-2007


Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 09:54 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

féinaithne
féindiúltú
féinmharú
féinléiriú
féinghrá

Is f pronounced here?

le díol

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1850
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 10:25 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think it is pronounced as f, yes. It may be lenited or eclipsed. If it were pronounced as [h], it would not.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Rg_cuan
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cinnte!

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 256
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Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

This brings up the more basic question of "when is it pronounced as 'h' as opposed to 'f'"? I've heard both and I don't know whether there's a grammatical reason for it, or whether it's simply a dialectical difference.

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sean-Daithí (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 04:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Féin is a grammatical word, which is used rather often. Such words are often subject to unusual changes. Féin is in some dialects pronounced péin, in other héin... This is not a regular change.

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Bearn
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Post Number: 290
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Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 04:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Domhnall,
you do here it f, but that has nothing to do with Irish

le díol

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1851
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 07:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

As a word alone (not as a prefix as in the words mentioned above), féin is pronounced with an [h] at the beginning in whole Ireland, except in a handful of villages in Munster.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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