http://tinyurl.com/267l6s


…as an Irish Independent:

“The father of a young Russian pupil fighting to have her taught in English at her school in the Gaeltacht, has started a case with the Equality Tribunal.

John Ferriter has also claimed that parents of Irish children attending the same school are too intimidated to support him, saying he is battling the 'Irish-language Taliban'...”

Léamh mé an t-alt...bíonn difríocht láidir idir "meanscoil na toirbhirte" agus "meansceal na toirbhite".

It is easier to spell check than check facts...credibility, but its the British Indo after all

Also, why at this time of increased native and non-native increases in population is a school been closed?

"Meanscoil na Toirbhite"

Thug mé sin faoi deara chomh maith.

http://tinyurl.com/25anty

When I first saw this I was annoyed to see that someone in the Gaeltacht had a huge problem with their child being taught through Irish, though I wasn't surprised. Then I actually read the article and I kind of understand where the father is coming from given the situation. I think that a fair solution should be determined for the girl but I don't think that this should stop the school from switching to Irish.

Beir bua agus beannacht

Cén fáth nach raibh sé sásta Gaeilge a múineadh dá iníon agus í sa nGaeltacht, fiú má bhfuil sí as an Rúis? Chuir eisean fhéin sise ar a míbhuntáiste anois i ngeall ar an gcinneadh amaideach sin.

Tá súil agam go mór mór nach dtagann an tAire ar a dtaobh ar an gceist seo, ar eagla go mbeadh chuile eachtrannach is Éireannach ag éileamh amhlaidh óna scoileannaí sna Gaeltachtaí

I always have to ask, "what am I not being told here" when I read a story like this.

"As she was aged 13 when she started, she was exempt from learning Irish, but her school will amalgamate with the local CBS from next term and all the lessons will be in Gaeilge."

Did this father not research the local situation when he made the conscious decision to settle down where he now resides? Or, did this Irish-language-only scenario just pop up out of the blue to everybody's shock and horror?

In any event, the reference to "Irish Language Taliban" is pathetically farcical and hystrionic, if anything is. He is living in Ireland.

(Message edited by domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh on August 07, 2007)

(Message edited by domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh on August 07, 2007)

Its funny -all those 'fine Republicans' in government who insist Irish is our native language, are never forced to utter even a word in their lifetime, yet here is a young girl from Russia been forced by cutbacks into a corner. Why don't they lead from example and show that speaking a minority language is for big shots too, instead of making rules that are preposterous. Like what, is it 30 miles to the next secondary school?

No cutbacks.

Coláiste na Toirbhirte WAS an Irish speaking school; but they made allowances for this girl up to a point.

Should the new school become all English speaking just for a few hard cases? What about those from the Gaeltacht who are denied education in their own language?

BTW Bearn, I think you will find that most Government Ministers a) do speak Irish, b) send their Children to gaelscoileanna. (Bertie is an exception, not the rule).

Its funny -all those 'fine Republicans' in government who insist Irish is our native language, are never forced to utter even a word in their lifetime...

Bearn, out of curiosity, are there no Irish-speaking journalists in Ireland? If there are, why don't they ask these politicos the hard questions, in Irish, on video, and then let their stammerings or answers in English speak for themselves?

...yet here is a young girl from Russia been forced by cutbacks into a corner.

I want to be clear that I feel poorly for this poor young Russian girl caught in the middle here. Plainly, she's not responsible for the motives of the adults involved.

That said, not knowing more details than were provided in this article, my initial impression is that she's a contrived victim set up to make a political point.

(Thirty miles, by the way, is nothing. We have highways and motorcars these days. I grant you, the US is not Ireland, but I log anywhere from 50 to 70 miles every day either on my own vehicle or on public transit. It's not the end of the world.)

"yet here is a young girl from Russia been forced by cutbacks into a corner".

Cén "cutbacks" atá i gceist agat anseo?

To spell it out in detail.
1) There are no cutbacks.
2) There were two schools in Dingle town, both serving the whole peninsula.
2a) Meán Scoil na Toirbhirte (girls school) run by the Presentation order of nuns
2b) Scoil na mBráithre (boys) run by the Christian Brothers.
3) Both were all Irish schools, but made allowances for non Irish speaking pupils as far as practicable.
4) Religious orders in Ireland are withdrawing from education due to falling vocations.
5) A new, amalgamated school with the Brothers, the Nuns and the VEC(state body) as patrons will start operation in September 2007.
6) This school caters for the Gaeltacht, and therefore will be all Irish.
7) Yer man from the English speaking Taliban has a problem with this. He thinks all the people from West of Dingle should be denied an education in their first languages (shure, don't they all spake Inglish) so that his adopted darling doesn't have to travel the 30 miles to Tralee.
8) I have NO sympathy with him!

I've shot a circle from where I live at radius 30 miles and there are over 20 secondary schools if not more in that area (over 9 counties). Looking at Dingle, the fact of the sea, squeezes it a bit, so what would be crazy here, might just occur in Kerry, but still, it seems mad

PS, I have no sympathy with him either. I think most people are concerned for the pawn

Tá súil agam go bhfuil sibh go léir ag scríobh don eagarthóir:



Chuir mise mo litir inné.

'Thirty miles, by the way, is nothing'

Caithfear a admháil go bhfuil an bóthar sin i bhfíor-drochstaid. Bheinn cinnte nach bhfuil 30 míle sna Stáit cosúil leo!

I assume if this girl is from Russia she's had to learn English. So is it beyond her to learn Irish, the language of the area in which she lives, aswell?

I haven't the slightest sympathy for these people either.

“….he's a contrived victim set up to make a political point…”

Gan amhras, a Dhomhnaill.

Is doigh liom narbh í an Ghaeilge an t-ábhar is fearr le John Ferriter nuair a bhí sé ar scoil.

I am generally very sympathetic to Russians and Russia, having spent some months there. But this story takes the biscuit. Was he forced to leave Russia? And forced to settle in the Gaeltacht? He should be reminded in no uncertain terms that there are flights to Moscow, and if he keeps this up, maybe he should return home for good. No allowances whatsoever should me made for the girl. She is in the Gaeltacht. She should be taught in Irish. Period. The school is already doing too much for her. Any child who moves at her age to Russia will find the schools teaching... in Russian. There was a Spanish boy in my school who came over when he was 13. Within 2 years his English was fluent as he had special lessons. She should get special lessons in Irish... but be taught in Irish. This story is simply outrageous.

An ioróin é gurb é Talib(an) an Phaistiúis/ An Fharsais/ An Pheirsis ar mac léinn (mic léinn )?

Ní hea.

Bheadh sé níos cirte dom neamhThaliban a thabhairt ar drong seo an "F*** the Language" Movement.

Bhí mo dhuine ar an raidió inné, ar seó Matt Cooper(Bhí duine darb ainm Hugh ann in áit Cooper), agus dar fia, ní raibh aon drogall ar bith air a bheith ag caitheamh bréag.
Ceann de na pointe á déanamh aige ná go raibh eagla ar theaghlaigh i "nDingle Daingean Úi Chúis(e)sic tm" roimh gluaisteach na Gaeilge agus an tionchar atá acub ar a ngnó is a slí bheatha!!!

Bhí 15 nóiméad aige a bheith ag caint seafóide gan aoinne eile ann chun taobh na scoile a chosaint agus na pointí ar nós dóibh siúd déanta ag Aonghus thuas a insint. Bhí an láithreoir go hiomlán ar a son, agus eisean ar buile go mbeadh sé ar a iníon bhocht a dhul go Trá Lí chun scolaíocht trí Bhéarla a fháil.
Rud eicínt, dála an scéil, á déanamh ag cúpla mac léinn sa gceantar cheana.

"Lunatic Gaelic fringe", "like the Taliban", "no place for Irish with the change in demographic", "sure 20% of the people in Dingle are from Poland alone"
"The state is prejudice against my daughter" "European charter for human rights" srl srl

Tá mé tar éis a bheith ag éisteacht leis an argóint seo ar LiveLine le Joe Duffy inniu 8/8/07 agus leasathair an chailín ag argóint i gcoinne ardmháistir na scoile nua sa Daingean.Tá an dá meánscoil sa mbaile curtha le chéile i scoil amháin , scoil lán - ghaelach.Tá an cleas céanna a imirt ag muintir an Daingin is a tá ag tárlú i dTuair Mhic Eadaigh.Is é Tuair Mhic Eadaigh an t-aon áit a chaill creidiúint mar Ghaeltacht a fuair ar ais arís é le "Cúnamh ó ionadaíthe Poibli".Imríonn na pobail an cluiche seo le haghaidh deontaisí agus airgead a fháil ón stát agus anois tá an meánaicme agus na "Gaeltachtaí" ag imirt an cluiche "Ciníochais" seo mar níl ann ach leithscéal le haghaidh "drochmhisneach" a chur ar eachtrannaí.Caitheann na tuismitheoirí agus bord na scoile "leithscéal/bac" a chruthú le haghaidh scoláirí a choinneál amach agus sín an Ghaeilge an bac is éasca a chruthú agus is deacra a chruthú mí-dhleathach/Ciníoch.

(Message edited by mickrua on August 08, 2007)

....agus as Lá Nua inniú:

http://tinyurl.com/2xakrb

"Lunatic Gaelic fringe"

Hmmmm.....

....An ndéanfaimis t-léinte?

Bhí mise ag éisteacht le Joe Duffy inniu freisin.
Bhuel an rud a chuireann mearbhall ormsa ná go bhfuil an cuid is mó de na daoine sa Daingean ag iarraidh Dingle a glaoch ar an áit. Nach raibh pobalbhreith acu? (Ag rá seo faoi m'fhiacail)

Dhá cheist atá ann, is dócha

1. An bhfuil lán líofacht sa Ghaeilge ag gach déagóir atá ag freastal ar scoileanna sa Daingean?

2.An múineann na bunscoileanna thart timpeall na háite trí mhéan na Gaeilge?

1. Níl, faraor. Ach tá acu siúd atá laistiar den Daingean.
2. Múineann, go hairithe laistiar den Daingean.

Maidir leis an bpobalbhreith úd, ní raibh aon guth ann ag an muintir laistiar den Daingean. Ná fiú ag gach aoinne sa bhaile, ós rud é gur faoi dlí ó 1940 a ritheadh é.

Change in demagraphic my arse.

Newcomers to a country shouldn't be given the power to turn everything there that they don't like topsy turvy. If they don't like the way things are done in the Gaeltacht then they can just not settle there.

Beir bua agus beannacht

Aguisín: de réir m'eolas, tuismitheoirí na scoile a shocraigh gurbh scoil lán gaelach a bheadh ann (mar a bhí na scoileanna roimhe seo)

Aonghus,
Go raibh maith agat as do chuid eolais.
Mar sin de má tá an socrú glactha leis an mórchuid, níl trácht ar bith ar an ábhar.

Ach
(Ach tá rud éigin i mo chrá, bhí an scoil, in a bhfuil sí ag freastal anois, toillteanach córas oideachais
(i mBéarla) a thabhairt don cailín seo go dtí seo, gan fadhb, agus í a ghlactha isteach sa scoil ar an gcéad dul síos . Dar liom fhéin tá conradh aici agus na tuismitheoirí leis an scoil.
Maidir leis na scoileanna, ceapaim go bhfuil an scoil nua ag iarraidh an treo nó an bealach ceart a leanadh
B'fhéidir go mbeadh sé níos fearr don scoil athrú níos moille a dhéanamh, ag tosnú leis an chéad bhliain, Ach tá fadhbanna ag baint le sin freisin, dar ndóigh. De réir an scéil, tá an phraiseach ar fud na mias.)

Meas tú céard a cheapann na múinteoirí a bhí ag teagasc trí Bhéarla go dtí seo?

Aguisín: Ní bheadh mise in ann an Árdteist a dhéanamh trí mhéan na Gaeilge,san lá atá inniu ann. Stair, Mata, Eolaíocht agus ar uile, níl mé lán líofa sa Ghaeilge agus is é Béarla mo chéad teanga. Now should teanga take a seimhiú here or not? Not something you really need to worry about when debating the finer points of a history question.

De réir mo thuiscint, is scoil lán gaelach a bhí i Meanscoil na Toirbhirte.

Tá rud éigin aisteach faoi leagan mo dhuine den scéil:
http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=2126&viewby=date

Ag léamh idir na línte, is léir gur thug an scoil breis tacaíochta don gcailín; agus nach raibh uirthi Gaeilge MAR ÁBHAR ANN FHÉIN a dhéanamh.

http://gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=564&viewby=date

quote:

Ceann de na gnéithe is mó den scoil phobail nua a bhfuiltear ag faire orthu is ea an seasamh a bheidh aici ó thaobh na Gaeilge ach táthar dóchasach go mbeidh an teagasc trí Ghaeilge á dhéanamh mar a bhí go dtí seo i meánscoileanna an Daingin. Mar sin féin, tá tuairimí ag teacht chun cinn ó dhaoine áirithe gur cheart dhá shruth oideachais meánscoile a bheith sa Daingean - ceann acu as Gaeilge agus an ceann eile as Béarla. Táthar á rá seo mar go bhfuil titim an-mhór ar líofacht Ghaeilge na ndaltaí meánscoile sa Daingean le deich mbliana anuas, de dheasca an-chuid cúinsí.

"Change in demographic my arse. "

Arsa aon duine "The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration"

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/russian-girl-is-forced-to-study-in-irish -or-travel-60-miles-for-school-955478.html

If you see this link above the girl has already sat her Junior Business Studies in Irish. Obviously she must be somewhat competent in Irish if she can do that. I don't blame the girt or her mother. Its obvious her 'step-dad' is a wanker. Its parasitic scum like him who destroying the country.

Cén fáth go bhfuil fuath chomh mór sin ag munitir an Dainigin don teanga? Bhfuil a fhios ag éinne?

""Lunatic Gaelic fringe"

Hmmmm.....

....An ndéanfaimis t-léinte?"

http://www.eshirt.it/carrello/gt_make.php?id_prj=0708096FB903

Chaithfinn ceann acub

Scéal níos meáite san examiner:

http://gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=2229&viewby=date

quote:

Anastasia Lyamina sat the Junior Certificate at the all-Irish Meánscoil na Toirbhirte in Dingle two months ago, where she was able to learn most subjects through English

Most, not all!

quote:

Seán Ó Suilleabháin, chairman of the new school’s board of management, said students with no Irish would be helped by staff. He told RTÉ Radio’s Liveline programme yesterday that Anastasia could also improve her Irish in transition year before beginning the Leaving Certificate cycle next year.

quote:

An English stream should be created in the school to cater for these students, he said.

As I posted above (in Irish, from Foinse), this was discussed and rejected when the school was being set up. Evidence elsewhere shows that different language streams in schools causes the Irish language stream to be weakened, as English will dominate even more outside the classroom.

I'd be in favour of this guy getting free bus transport for his adopted daughter to the nearest english speaking school; my kids get free bus transport to the nearest Gaelscoil, even though there is an English school nearer. But that is as much as he is entitled to. Personally, I think a bilingual teenager would have no problem learning Irish in transition year.

I knew a guy from Canada who said that back in the 70s when working abroad, guys used to learn Korean faster if they had a local girlfriend. Maybe she should take the same advice and take a Gaelic man!

O! Sin gaisneas na mban, a Bhirn? ;-)

Is trua nach bhuil ulpain/ אלפנים/wlpanau ar fáil d’Anastasia agus inimircigh eile ar fud na tíre.

http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgency/English/Aliyah/Learning+Hebrew

http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ll/wfa/wlpan.php.en

Ladies have other values too, buíochas le Dia...in poor countries there are no dishwashers, don;t you know!

"Ladies have other values too, buíochas le Dia...in poor countries there are no dishwashers, don;t you know!"

Knowaim! ;-)

Ní thuigim an focal seo a fhirn "gaisneas"

Goid foclóir!;-)

Ar thuig tú "Knowaim"?

[gaisneas = úsáid ]

"Goid foclóir!;-) "
ní gadaí mé!

"Ar thuig tú "Knowaim"? "

Thuig, sin mar a labhraítear i gConamara

"[gaisneas = úsáid ]"

grma

"Goid foclóir!;-) "
ní gadaí mé!
Ní slí beatha ná post buan a bhí a mholadh agam! ;-)

"Ar thuig tú "Knowaim"? "

Thuig, sin mar a labhraítear i gConamara

Nach tusa an scoláire? ;-)

"[gaisneas = úsáid ]"

grma

nltdbé!

nltdbé!

ntcaiga?

ntcaiga?

ná tabhair cat ar ioglú gamail anois?

ntcaiga?
ní thuigim céard atá i gceist agat

adtam (an dtuigeann thú anois mé)


nltdbé!

ná lig teannas dhul...rud eicínt ...rud eicínt???

t (tuigim)



nltdbé!

ná lig thar do bhéal é!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"t (tuigim)"
i (iontach)

"ná lig thar do bhéal é"

nt?

níl aon gá le Vodafone agus a dtuarthéacs i nGaeilge anois a pháistí

nó naglVaadiGaap mar a deirtear....anois :)

There is always going to be these f*ing eejets around..And you can be SURE Independent News and Media will always give their west brit beliefs priority. Buy their papers and you support this rubbish.

Ba chóir dúinn teacht le chéile agus teacht ar mo dhuine!