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Peadar (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 09:24 am: |
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This is based on Standard/Connaught Irish. It doesn't go into the past/conditional, but does get you started on the copula. 1. Pronoun as subject; definite predicate. a) 1st or 2nd psn pronoun [Is mé Máirtín] (Is) mise Máirtín (Is) mé féin Máirtín Contrastive or emphatic forms tend to be used. With contrastive and emphatic forms the copula can be omitted, as indicated by the parentheses in the examples above. b) 3rd psn pronoun Disjunctive forms must be used: é, í, iad and their contrastive, emphatic and demonstrative equivalents. The use of contrast, emphatic and demonstrative forms is as in a), and the copula may be omitted: (Is) ise an múinteoir (Is) eisean an múinteoir (Is) iad na daoine. (Is) í féin an múinteoir (Is) é féin an múinteoir (Is) iad féin na daoine. (Is) í sin mo bhean. (Is) é seo mo fhear. (Is) iad súd na daoine. With the basic non-contrastive pronouns, they must be repeated afterwards, and copula cannot be omitted: Is é an fear é Is í an múinteoir í Is iad na dochtúirí iad 2. Definite noun subject; definite predicate. The definite noun cannot immediately follow the copula; the pronoun must intervene: Is é an fear san an sagart. Is í Cáit mo bhean. Is iad Brid agus Máirtín na dochtúirí. 3. Pronoun subject; indefinite predicate Is dochtúir mé. This differs from the situation with a definite predicate in that the predicate is placed between the copula and the pronoun. A form more common in Munster is as follows: Dochtúir is ea mé. This form is emphatic in the rest of the country but has come to be the normal form in Munster. It can only exist in the affirmative. (Ea is an old neuter pronoun.) 4. Definite noun subject; indefinite predicate. Is múinteoir í sin. Once again the predicate is placed after the copula, and the definite subject is preceded by the pronoun. As above, the form preferred in Munster is: Múinteoir is ea í sin. 5. Responses to questions with indefinite noun predicates. Use the old neuter pronoun ea to answer questions of definition; use é/í to answer questions of identity. An Polannach tú? Is ea/ní hea/an ea?/nach ea? An é sin t’athair? Is é/ní hé. 6. Copula with adjectives. The question of when to use an adjective with the copula does not concern us here; we are only dealing with the syntax. a) pronoun subject-adjectival predicate Is ionann iad. Nach maith é! Is deas é. b) definite noun subject-adjectival predicate Pronoun intervenes. Is deas í do leine. c) indefinite subject-adjectival predicate i) normal word order Is duine deas é. Duine deas is ea é. ii) emphatic word order Is deas an duine é. Is maith an rud é. (Note the predicate still has indefinite meaning, although the article is used.) 7. Demonstrative pronouns a) Indefinite predicate Seo bord. Sin bord. Siúd boird. b) Definite predicate If the predicate is definite, the demonstrative pronoun must be followed by é, í or iad. Seo í Cáit. Sin é an bord. Siúd iad na daoine eile. c) Negative The forms ’eo, ’in, ’iúd. Ní h-prefixes. Ní heo é an bord. Ní heo bord. d) Interrogative Ab ’eo é an bord? Nach ’eo é an bord? Ab ’eo bord? Nach ’eo bord? e) Indirect speech Deir sé gurb ’eo é an bord. Deir sé nach ’eo é an bord. Deir sé gurb ’eo bord. Deir sé nach ’eo bord. f) If clauses Más ’eo é an bord. Marab ’eo é an bord. Más ’eo bord. Marab ’eo bord. 8. Other points In phrases like sin é mo thuarim, where a feminine pronoun might have been expected, the “é” can be interpreted as referring back to the original thought, “this is my opinion”. Note idiomatic use of copula with “as” to mean “be from”: is as Gaillimh í, she is from Galway. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 1697 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 01:32 pm: |
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What's "eo"? -- Fáilte Roimh Cheartú -- Mura mbíonn téarma Gaeilge agaibh ar rud éigin, bígí cruthaitheach! Ná téigí i muinín focail Bhéarla a úsáid, údar truaillithe é sin dod chuid cainte.
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 1744 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 01:41 pm: |
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It derives from "seo" > "sheo" Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm
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Róman
Member Username: Róman
Post Number: 885 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 02:06 pm: |
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Is dóigh liom gur amadán é nó Is dóigh liom gurb amadán é? I have seen both. Does anyone know any rule for that? Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 3136 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 02:24 pm: |
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Ní bhainimse úsáid as "gurb" roimh ainmfhocal: ... gur amadán é. Ach roimh aidiacht nó dobhriathar: ... gurb iontach an t-amadán é. "An seanchas gearr, an seanchas is fearr."
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 1698 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 04:12 pm: |
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Chonaic mise freisin "gur amadán" in ionad "gurb"... seans go bhfuil sé macasamhail an rogha atá againn i mBéarla maidir le "I have" Vs "I've got" -- déan iarracht an ceann sin a mhíniú d'fhoghlaimeoir! Maidir liomsa féin ar aon chor, úsáidim "gurb" an t-am ar fad d'aineoinn cén sórt focail atá i gceist. -- Fáilte Roimh Cheartú -- Mura mbíonn téarma Gaeilge agaibh ar rud éigin, bígí cruthaitheach! Ná téigí i muinín focail Bhéarla a úsáid, údar truaillithe é sin dod chuid cainte.
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 3138 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:40 am: |
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quote:seans go bhfuil sé macasamhail an rogha atá againn i mBéarla Since "macasamhail" is a noun, not an adjective, you need the copula here. But "cosúil" might be best in this context: go bhfuil sé cosúil leis an rogha... "An seanchas gearr, an seanchas is fearr."
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Lars
Member Username: Lars
Post Number: 137 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 12:41 pm: |
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gur/gurb (and other forms of the copula ending in -r/-rb) before words beginning with vowel: Before nouns gur is used (e.g. "gur amadán é") Gur is used, too, before prepositions, e.g. "gur i nGaillimh ..." and prepositional pronouns, e.g. "gur ann ...") And before adverbs (except for those originating in adjectives), e.g. "gur anseo", "gur inné" Gurb is used before adjectives, adverbs of adjective orign and before simple pronouns (e.g. "gurb é an fear ..."), except for simple pronouns as a part of verbal noun phrases e.g. "gur iad a chur ...") But I don't think this holds true for all cases, e.g. you usually say "darb ainm, cárb as" ... Lars (Message edited by lars on June 29, 2007) |
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