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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (May-June) » Archive through June 18, 2007 » Pronunication help « Previous Next »

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Skii28
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 05-2007
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 03:37 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi
I'm living in co. clare
How do you pronunce
Bainistíocht táirgeachta

Also how do you say

I will drive home tomorrow

Go raibh maith agaat

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Daithí (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 04:46 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

bainistíocht táirgeachta
[BAN-ish-teext TAWrig-axta]*
*x is the sound of 'ch' in the Scottish loch, German Bach...

I'll drive home tomorrow.
Tiománfaidh mé abhaile amárach.

I suppose most native speakers would pronounce tiomán- with a broad rather than a slender 't', though.

Slan
Daithí

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1687
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The future of tiomáin is tiomáinfidh, I think.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm

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Daithí (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 06:09 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I thought it was like siúil, siúlfaidh...

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Róman
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Post Number: 817
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 08:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

siúil - siúlaim is a syncopating verb (siobhail - siobhlaim), tumáin - tumáinaim is not - it is a plain 1st conjugation verb. Actually I am curious about other verb:

foghlaim - foghlamaím/ foghlaimím - why is it second conjugation if it is not syncopating?

Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!

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B0R0N (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 08:39 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Maybe as it is long/multi syllable?

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Róman
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Post Number: 818
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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 09:55 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Good point, but we have verbs like "freastail" which are also multisyllable, but still first conjugation!

Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!

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Silemaire
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 10:03 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello,

I am working on a play about Granuile....how do you pronounce the phrase:

"Go mhfearr lei lan loinge de cloinn Conroi na lan loinge d’or."

Many thanks,
Slan,

Sheila

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Daithí (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 11:37 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It might be analogy. Just because it's long. But analogy usually doesn't affect all words so freastal, adhlaic etc. could remain 1st conj.
The same with siúlaim - why is it 1st conjugation if it's syncopating? Obviously because it's monosyllable now /s'u:l-/... cf. also 'labhair' in some dialects /Laur'/ - labhrann, instead of labhraíonn.

Daithí

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1690
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Róman, the syllables with m never syncopate. Just s, n, r, l.
I think Freastail doesn't syncopate because we would have a cluster stl, which is odd in Irish.

Silemaire:

Go mhfearr lei lan loinge de cloinn Conroi na lan loinge d’or

Must be: go mb'fhearr léi lán loinge de chloinn Chonroí ná lán loinge d’ór.

Pronounced: goh maarr lay laan ling-uh doh KHlinn-y KHonn-ree nah laan ling-uh dawr.

in IPA: [gˠɔ m´ɛːr leː l̪ˠænˠ l̪ˠɪŋʲɪ d̪ˠɔ χlˠɪɲ χɔn̪ri nˠa l̪ˠæːnˠ l̪ˠɪŋʲɪ d̪ˠɔːɾ]

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