An bhfuil aon shuíomh ann a thaispeánann an tuiseal ginideach de hainmneacha.
Mar shampla Tigh Mhíchíl agus araile....
Nó an bhfuil slí éigint ann chun é sin a fháilt amach?
'Maith agat
P.

Tá an mhórchuid de na foirmeacha ginideacha seo 100% rialta. Tá cúpla ainm ann, áfach, nach mbíonn daoine cinnte díobh i gcónaí, agus tá ceann acu luaite agat, mar atá "Mícheál / Micheál" ~ Mhíchíl, Mhicheáil.

Féach freisin:

Maitias ~ Mhaitiais

Roibeard ~ Roibeaird

Liam ~ Liam

Brian ~ Bhriain

Finnian ~ Fhinnéin

Cad faoi:
Cathal
Sinéád
Diarmaid
Seán

Chathail
Shinéad
Dhiarmada
Sheáin

Tá píosa sách fada faoi i gCruinnscríobh na Gaeilge.

Cá bhfuil sé sin?

Leabhar atá ann (le Cois Life)

Cá ceannóidh mé é?

Cá ceannóidh mé é?

Bain triall as siopa leabhair

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Basically male names get slenderised while female names don't.

Seán, cóta Sheáin
Sinéad, cóta Shinéad

Seán Ó Caíomh, cóta Sheáin Uí Chaíomh
Sinéad Ní Chaíomh, cóta Shinéad...

Can't exactly remember how it works but that's the bare basics. I'm sure someone will chime in and tell us exactly how it works. Lughaidh. . . ?

Basically some male names get slenderised while female names don't.

Tuairim Aonghusa!

Slenderisation cam only occur on words with final consonants, so the lack of them doesnot become an issue

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Tuairim Aonghusa!

I always wondered about names like Niall. How to make ginideach and gairmeach of those? And how can you know in advance how to inflect those?

Niall -> Néill (ach níl fhios agam cén fáth)

Tá an nóta seo leanas i gCruinnscríobh na Gaeilge:

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N.B. Is fiú go mór alt le Micheál A. Ó Murchú, Ollscoil Uladh, Cúil Raithin a cheadú le mioneolas ar úsáid ainmneacha pearsanta, teideal agus sloinnte a fháil. Cf. “Úsáid Sloinnte agus Teideal i nGaeilge an Lae Inniu” in Taighde agus Teagasc, Iml. 2, Coláiste Ollscoile N. Muire, Béal Feirste, 2002, lgh 210-242.

Did old Irish have ablaut? iasc /éasc, níall /néill, mar shampla.

Micheál Ó Murchú, sin mo mháistir nuair a bhí mé i gCúil Raithin !

I meant, did it have some sort of vowel changing (just looked up term and I used it wrong). Why ia/í -->é

Niall -> Néill
mar:
grian -> gréine
iasc -> éisc
ciall -> céille
dian -> déin
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That was so even in Old Irish.
It's just the influence of the slender consonant on the vowels.
iasc -> *iaisc -> éisc

Lars

(Message edited by lars on June 05, 2007)

BTW: This link is about Irish names (with genitives in parenthesis):
Ainmneacha Gaelacha

Lars

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Niall -> Néill

Then why not Liam > *Léim?

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That was so even in Old Irish.

It was not.

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It's just the influence of the slender consonant on the vowels. iasc -> *iaisc -> éisc

Vice versa - it is influence of broad consonant that was "breaking" old "é" into "ia".

ésc (ainm) - éisc (gin.)

é>ia in front of broad consonant

iasc - éisc.

"é" arising from lengthened "e" was left intact, but now you see the process starting again - in Munster and Scotland independently. "scéal" > "scial" (in pronunciation). In Cléire and Corca Dhuibhe process is over and "new" ia is pronounced the same way as the old one. In Múscraí it still has "clear" a, not schwa as second component, so there is difference between "éa" and "ia". The same thing recently started in Donegal: scéal > scial, so it is a matter of time when éa>ia in all Ireland

Ainm Gallda is ea Liam!

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Then why not Liam > *Léim?

It's a foreign name (William, Guillaume, Willhelm, willio + helm, will and protection)

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It was not.

At least iasc/éisc was so in old Irish according to Thurneysen (iasc was written íasc)

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Vice versa - it is influence of broad consonant that was "breaking" old "é" into "ia".

That's a good explanation.

Lars