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Skii28
Member Username: Skii28
Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:02 am: |
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Hi I will like to know where you can get a copy of all verbs ( Past, Present, Future, Conditional). Is there a document available on this website Thank you |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 5417 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:40 am: |
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Try http://www.csis.ul.ie/focloir/ If you input any for of a verb, it will give you all of them, but you will ned to know the names of forms and tenses in Irish! The buttons "Diúltach" will get you the negation, and "Ceisteach" the question form. e.g. osnaigh (osnaíl) Dearfach neamhaistreach LÁITH. osnaím osnaíonn tú osnaíonn sé osnaíonn sí osnaímid osnaíonn sibh osnaíonn siad Sb. osnaítear CAITE d'osnaigh mé d'osnaigh tú d'osnaigh sé d'osnaigh sí d'osnaíomar d'osnaigh sibh d'osnaigh siad Sb. osnaíodh GH. CHAITE d'osnaínn d'osnaíteá d'osnaíodh sé d'osnaíodh sí d'osnaímis d'osnaíodh sibh d'osnaídís Sb. d'osnaítí FÁIS. osnóidh mé osnóidh tú osnóidh sé osnóidh sí osnóimid osnóidh sibh osnóidh siad Sb. osnófar M. COINN. d'osnóinn d'osnófá d'osnódh sé d'osnódh sí d'osnóimis d'osnódh sibh d'osnóidís Sb. d'osnófaí M. FOSH. LÁITH. go n-osnaí mé go n-osnaí tú go n-osnaí sé go n-osnaí sí go n-osnaímid go n-osnaí sibh go n-osnaí siad Sb. go n-osnaítear M. ORD. osnaím osnaigh osnaíodh sé osnaíodh sí osnaímis osnaígí osnaídís Sb. osnaítear AINM BRIATH. osnaíl AIDIACHT BHRIATH. osnailte |
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 473 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 01:21 pm: |
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Skii... I suspect (or it is expect) that you are asking this question due (or is it dew) to the fact that most languages have an enormous amount of irregular verbs. Irish is easier (as opposed to easy) in that it only has 12 irregular verbs. Regular verbs are called such because (or is it 'cuz) they retain their root in all tenses. So, if you can remember the rules for first conjugation verbs and second conjugation verbs, you're 90% done! 1st Conjugation verbs are defined as follows: verbs with a monosyllabic root (mol, bris) verbs with polysyllabic roots that end in áil There are a few that don't fit that last definition but they are just a few. 2nd Conjugation verbs are defined as follows: Verbs with polysyllabic roots ending in igh (or aigh) or verbs with polysyllabic roots ending in il (or ail), in (or ain), ir (or air) and is (or ais) whose inflected forms are syncopated. Don't ask me to explain that last part. We'll need some more educated people to break (or is it brake) that down into simple terms. Anyway...I hope this is helpful. If not...hey...I tried! Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón. Fáilte roimh cheartú, go deo.
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Marianna (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 01:25 pm: |
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Or is that hay? |
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 474 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 01:29 pm: |
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I (or is it eye) like that! Too ( or is it to, or two) funny!! Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón. Fáilte roimh cheartú, go deo.
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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 01:41 pm: |
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"Verbs with polysyllabic roots ending in igh (or aigh) or verbs with polysyllabic roots ending in il (or ail), in (or ain), ir (or air) and is (or ais) whose inflected forms are syncopated." All you need is rythm! Compare doras 'do-ras' (2 sylables) with doirse which might be expected to be 'doirisha' (do-rish-ah) but is actually more like 'dursh-ah'. This is like when you are in the middle of a sentance and if you think of the syllables like beats in a song, sometimes some beats might clash so for l, n, r (been 'vowel-like') get moved about to change the beat pattern. Ex: sabháil --> shábhálainn (sa-wawil +inn =saw-wawlinn). I think this must be considered in the context of the natural usage of langauge where the sentance as a whole, nor abstracted words alone, predominates. It makes more sense holistically |
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Do_chinniúint
Member Username: Do_chinniúint
Post Number: 140 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 05:40 pm: |
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If you are looking for a book with the breakdowns like the verb books you might find for another language in a bookestore, I recommend "Briathra na Gaeilge: Regular and Irregualr Verbs" by Déaglán and Pádraig Ó Murchú. It is close the closest thing I have found to these types of books. It gives the exact same breadown, in the exact same format, that you find on the website Aonghus suggested called An Foclóir Beag... The book can be found at the Litriocht site: http://www.litriocht.com/shop/ If you would like the details before you buy it...it is a 7 x 9.5 inch paperback, 50 pages, and uses the model verb system. That's were they fully breadown each type of verb within a given conjugation, and list several verbs that follow this exact same pattern. It is hard to say the number of verbs they breakdown. I would say it has about 300+ Irish verbs and about 400+ English verbs. One Irish verb can have multiple English verbs...which can be a little confusing. Also, you have to cross check some of the verbs because while the verb can have the "implied" meaning, there may be a better or different Irish verb out there. This is something that I run into all the time!!! While this allows them to save space and cost in book production, it can cause a little trouble for the new learner who doesn't have the confidence to try a verb on their own. I think between using this book with the An Foclóir Beag website, there isn't a verb you can't breakdown. I think some of the pros of this book are: 1) It is in English and intended for English speakers. 2) It gives a very nice introduction to Irish verbs. 3) It is fairly cheap. I hope this helps... |
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Skii28
Member Username: Skii28
Post Number: 19 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:51 am: |
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Go raibh maith agat |
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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 12:16 pm: |
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For a way to remember how to construct the verb, I do something like this (for short verbs): General Personal Pronouns (mé, tú, sé, sí, muid, sibh, siad) -GPP Modal Peronal suffixes (ainn, á, ait sé/sí, aimist, ait sé/sí, aidís) MPS L =lenition E =eclipsis D =devoice final consonant of root Present Continous: root +GPP independant form: root +ann dependant form: root +ann +s autonomous: +ar/tar Past: root/L +GPP root +GPP independant form: root/L dependant form: no special form autonomous: +as/ach Future: root/D independant form: root/D +idh (shortens to a/e before GPP) dependant form: root/D +a/e +s autonomous: root/D +ar/tar Present Subjunctive: go + root/E + GPP independant form: go +root/E +ann dependant form: no special form autonomous: root/E +ar/tar Past Subjunctive: dá +root/E +MPS independant form: dá +root/E +ach dependant form: no special form autonomous: root/D +aí/faí Imperfect: root/L +MPS independant form: root/L +ach dependant form: no special form autonomous: root/L +aí/taí Conditional: root/L & D +MPS independant form: root/L & D +ach dependant form: autonomous: root/L +aí/faí Ordering form: (synthetic endings) root +aim, Ø, ait sé/sí, aimis, aigí, aidíst autonomous: +ar/tar dependant: root |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 1662 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 01:11 pm: |
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independant form: root +ann dependant form: root +ann +s Wrong, your "dependent" form is the direct relative one. Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm
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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 01:30 pm: |
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Indeed it is due to a cut and paste error before been duplicated. However, it's not an issue as a) you can see the form once ina sentance is relative b) the paradigms above are for use on most regular short verbs and c) no one is going to use it anyway... |
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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 01:36 pm: |
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Oh ya, and I confounded 'dependant coming from old deponant verb' with 'form dependant on prior particle (for lenition)'. Oh well... |
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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 581 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 12:20 am: |
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Scríobh BRN: quote:This is like when you are in the middle of a sentance and if you think of the syllables like beats in a song, sometimes some beats might clash so for l, n, r (been 'vowel-like') get moved about to change the beat pattern. I've always thought of language and music as closely related, and perhaps that's due to the rhythms they both possess as you describe above. I also think that when spoken words employ voice modulation, either tonally or volumetrically, they exhibit crucial characteristers that are also present in singing. If it ain't got that swing, it don't mean a thing. Duke Ellington Múineann gá seift
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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
Member Username: Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
Post Number: 183 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 03:15 am: |
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"If it ain't got that swing, it don't mean a thing." Curse you. This will be with me now throughout the night, plus I will be trying to remember which consumer product hijacked that dittie in the seventies thus searing it onto my childhood brain.... |
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