Simiuil. I thought that article was neat. It is interesting how they mentioned that contentious data from the Newfoundland census, note that I only call it contentious because after consideration I decided not to include it in my data.

This makes me wonder and ponder on the fact that the country to the north of me still theoretically belongs to England. I knew that in passing but as I sit and think on the matter it seems very very odd and perculiar indeed. It is strange to me.

Beir bua agus beannacht

"Capt Aralt Mac Giolla Chainnigh's "

That's not how he spells it "en Gaeilge"on his page...


"people from the Irish Gaeltachtaí to take their first Gaeilge-friendly foreign holiday."

No offence, but I can't see it been popular with native speakers -unless prefab holidays become popular. Still, English tourists would be happy.


"creamery scientist "

Turns on the milking machine, I'd say


"'I was taken aback,' recalls Scott. 'I told him that Irish was the purist of the Indo-European languages, but he didn't listen.'"

Probably because you were wrong


"the addition of extra words before a noun the most confusing part."

I had that problem too when learning English; all those word before other words -soooo confusing.


"When she goes to college, she says, she wants to study architecture and Celtic studies"

I'm thinking of taking a degree in journalism and welding myself


"One person who definitely won't be making a trip to the Gaeltacht is Pat Clarke, a Dublin-born insurance clerk who hangs out at the Black Sheep pub in Toronto."

Which is like asking me would I buy leather pants -wrong target market

You've unearthed some good points here a BRN, even if they are not terribly important in the end. You are probably right that people from the Gaeltacht will not come all the way to Canada for the new Gaeltacht, but maybe they'll stop by on their way to other places in Canada out of curiosity if it is convenient.

I was confused about that whole "words before a noun" thing too. :)

I also think leather pants are a bit uninteresting and I wouldn't buy them either :)

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wrong target market is right... the Black Sheep pub is one of those "pubs" in a strip mall with old pool tables in the middle of the room and a 60" screen tv competing with the piped in top 40's music to make your ears bleed.

With all the decent Irish pubs in the city with great trad music the reporter had to pick that one.

I have to say that the area in which the Gaeltacht will be located is quite beautiful...it is close to the 1000 islands area, Prince Edward County with it's vineyards and some very nice small towns with rolling hills. It is also within striking distance of Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa...as well as upstate New York.

I am expecting that the bulk of people visiting would be from people from these areas which have pretty active Irish cultural organizations...but you never know...the occasional person from the Gaeltacht wouldn't be that rare...especially since the Kingston crowd already get language instructors from Oideas Gael and from Cork...who may come back on holiday or just drop while enroute to other places.

(Message edited by pádraig_toronto on February 19, 2007)

Er... Canada doesn't theoretically belong to England...

That's what people say, but why then are people in the military supposed to solute the queen? I'm not saying this to be obnoxious or provoke a fight, I honestly do not understand and that is why I'm asking.

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The Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is also the Lord of Man, the feudal duke of the Channel Islands, and Head of State of Canada, Australia and (possiblly - I'm not sure) New Zealand.

That doesn't stop those countries having their own government, history and traditions.

Empires are odd things, and take time to completely vanish.

http://www.canada.gc.ca/howgoc/glance_e.html

"You've unearthed some good points here a BRN, even if they are not terribly important in the end."

I was been sarcastic...

Heard RTÉ on the Sunday and a debate over Croke Park and the British anthem; one fellow thought it a dishonour to 1916 etc, and the other was wetting himself over 'Her Britannic Majesty' -so she must have a creel on both sorts of people here yet

I don't know what all the fuss is about:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen

I would have said Amhrán na bhFiann is significantly more contentious - and most GAA crowds start roaring half way through it, which is hardly showing respect to the anthem.

The Pity is that the English lack a song of their own, and must use a song written by a German composer for a German Monarch...

I heard somebody on Ronan Mac Aodha Bhuí's prog "Ronán ag a trí" ag rá gur ceart na focail seo a úsáid:

"God save our glorious team...."

Wonder will it take?....

I never heard that it was a "composed" air but simply came down through tradition...and I never heard that it came from Germany though the same tune is used I believe in Denmark and Lichtenstein - remember Lichtenstein our finest hour before Cyprus said he ironically!! There is more on the history here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen

I think that Land of Hope and Glory would be a far better English National Anthem for them.

BTW where did the melody (if that is not too optimistic a term!!!) for the national Anthem come from?

And a better anthem for us might be "Slán go deo le brón is buairt.." used as the Taoiseach's anthem now. A more majestic melody and nice sentiments..better tha Ireland's Call anyway...

I notice from the site that Aonghus cited above, http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen that God Save the Queen is the Royal Anthem of Canada.

The there's the National Anthem of Canada I found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada

quote:

O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

The first verse of "God Save the Queen" and O Canada have been translated into French for use by the French Canadians. I wonder if it's time to translate either of them into Irish, since Canada now has permanent Gaeltacht. The question is which one?

Ceanada Abú!

(Message edited by mac_léinn on February 20, 2007)

welll they already did it in Nova Scotia...Scottish Gaelic of course :)

Dhia gleidh ar Banrigh mhor, Beatha bhuan da'r Banrigh choir, Dhia gleidh ' Bhanrigh. Thoir buaidh dhi, 'us solas, Son' agus ro ghloirmhor, Fada chum riaghlaidh oirnn', Dhia gleidh ' Bhanrigh.

Ríona, it's just something of a symbolic sign of times past.

The queen doesn't really have any power. And they almost got rid of their monarch in Britain. The job is comparable to the Irish President..

I don't get monarch's over republics

I mean a servant of a supposedly "god chosen" queen or
a citizen of a republic...

One thing which hasn't been mentioned is that SPORT and politics shouldn't be mixed..
Unfortunately, many don't see it like that... And i fear there may be trouble here in Belfast... Especially considering the march for an Irish language Act starts at one, and the game starts at 5.30...

So the queen can't do anything in Canada, they just like her so they still solute her? I suppose that makes some sense. As to the president in Ireland, I have always wondered why she doesn't have much power and Burty has it all. That's why I want her to be Taoseach next.

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