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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (January-February) » Archive through January 30, 2007 » 'Need' - Gá, Gábhadh, Gádh « Previous Next »

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James_murphy
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 11-2005


Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 08:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

WARNING another critique of caighdeán Irish (deeply uninteresting to some I feel ).

I think this is another example of the caighdeán spelling not representing a word as it is in the living language.
According to McCionnaith's dictionary the nominative (spelled 'gábhadh') is pronounced 'gá' in Connacht and Munster. Presumably then it's pronounced differently in Ulster (/ga:u:/ ?).
It says also that the genitive in Munster, as in the sentence 'i n-am mo ghábhaidh', is pronounced 'gáig'.
Surely then the caighdeán spelling is, to use a phrase often heard on English news recently, "not fit for purpose".

In Dinneen it's also spelled 'gábhadh' but in the 'Additions and Corrections' section it gives the following: "gábhadh properly 'danger', 'a fix' (gádh 'need')".
So, if not the admittedly unwieldy-looking 'gábhadh' then perhaps 'gádh' would be the best written form of this word in modern Irish (unless 'gábhadh' is crucial for the Ulster (and north Connacht ?) pronunciation).

Séamus Ó Murchadha

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 4870
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:33 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cuir amú fuinnimh atá ann, a James.

Is d'fhoghlaimeoirí an áit seo. Tig leat a bheith ag athchumadh an CO go dtí lá Seoin Dic anseo, ach ní athrófar siolla dá bharr.

Dá gcuirfeá an fuinneamh sin isteach i foghlaim na gaeilge, anois, sin rud a bhfiú.

Go néirí leat.

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James_murphy
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 11-2005


Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 04:52 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ní dóigh liom go n-athrófar rud ar bith de mo bharr.
Nílim ach ag cur mo chuid smaointe annso chun fheiceáil cad a shíleann daoine eile faoi.

(Not sure the italicised parts are right)

Séamus Ó Murchadha

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Dennis
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Username: Dennis

Post Number: 2461
Registered: 02-2005


Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

Nílim ach ag cur mo chuid smaointe annso chun fheiceáil cad a shíleann daoine eile faoi.

Feirplé duit. Sílim gur suimiúil an cluiche é, "Where the C.O. Went Wrong"*, ach is leor beagán de, chomh fada liomsa de. Is coinbhinsiúin litriú ar bith. Tá mé sásta leis an litriú atá againn toisc go bhfuil taithí agam air.

*Chomh luath agus a scríobh mé é sin, tháinig teideal eile isteach i m'intinn: Where God Went Wrong le Oolon Colluphid, in The Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy, ar ndóigh.

"An seanchas gearr,
an seanchas is fearr."


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Aonghus
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Post Number: 4877
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ach maraon le mórán diagairí agus gramadoirí, is dóigh liomsa gur carn mór aeanna dingo an dá saothar.

Ridirí an Ghnúis Duairc ag troid le muilte gaoithe an samhail liteartha a ritheann liomsa.



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