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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:57 pm: |
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Recently, we've been discussing the issue of topic control, where Dennis has described his position as follows: I nGaeilge nó faoin nGaeilge. But the notice contained at this forum's entry point: http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/board-topics.html indicates the following: quote:Táthar ag iarraidh ort go mbeadh do chuid teachtaireachtaí múinte agus bainteach leis an nGaeilge. We do request that you keep your postings polite and related to the Irish language. So, in order to avoid any further aggravation to some members, I would like to ask for clarification on what exactly is allowed. More precisely, are we allowed to discuss non-language issues as long as we write them in Irish, as indicated by Dennis, or must we adhere to the forum's notice, written in both Irish and English, that the postings are to be related to the Irish language. I understand that controversial subjects such as politics and religion are off limits, since they only lead to emnity and flame wars, but I'm having a hard time understanding why it is alright to discuss something off-topic in Irish, but it's not alright to discuss the same off-topic matter in English. Mac Léinn na Gaeilge FRC-GRMA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teachyourselfirish/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishlinguistics/
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2343 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:27 pm: |
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Má tá an teachtaireacht i nGaeilge, tá sé ipso facto bainteach leis an teanga. Mar a dúirt Ríona ar na mallaibh: quote:Caitriona's post was related to the Irish language in the sense that it was in Irish. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:44 pm: |
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To post a two-words-long utterance as Gaeilge just in order to introduce a link to a site completely in English which is in no way related to Irish is certainly "bainteach leis an teanga"! Logic a là Dennis... |
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2344 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:53 pm: |
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Múinte agus bainteach leis an nGaeilge Polite and related to the Irish language That's our "constitution". Any message in Irish meets the "related to the Irish language" condition. It also has to meet the "polite" condition. Messages of a polemical nature, esp. focused on religion and politics, are guaranteed to create a brouhaha and bad feelings. I think it's reasonable to call such messages "impolite", and therefore off-topic. Any message in English does not meet the "related to the Irish language" condition unless it is specifically about the language -- no matter how polite, humorous, entertaining or informative it is. A lot of such off-topic messages are harmless enough in and of themselves. But when they proliferate, or when they wend their way into controversy, as they often do, they become a problem. We're all better served by sticking closely to the first condition: Bainteach leis an nGaeilge. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:58 pm: |
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In all due respect to Riona, I don't think ipso facto applies in this case. I think that it is prima facie from the following Daltai's Rules and "Netiquette" that certain subjects are expressly forbidden [Emphasis added by me] http://www.daltai.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/daltai/discus/discus.pl?pg=instructions#ru les Rules and "Netiquette" quote:The Daltaí Boards are intended to promote a free exchange of ideas and knowledge concerning the Irish language and its grammar. They are not intended for political discussion, whether conducted as Bearla (in English) or as Gaeilge (in Irish). When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults and personal attacks will not be tolerated and will be deleted or archived at the discretion of the Board Administrators. Likewise political discussions may also be deleted or archived at the discretion of the Board Administrators. Postings contrary to the foregoing should be brought to the attention of a Board Administrator. Those who repeatedly ignore this policy may be permanently banned from posting. I'm getting the impression that the latest round of topic-control attempts is a reaction to the enforcement of a political-free environment and less about whether we discuss the windswept landscapes of Ireland or California. FRC-GRMA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teachyourselfirish/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishlinguistics/
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2345 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:59 pm: |
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quote:To post a two-words-long utterance as Gaeilge just in order to introduce a link to a site completely in English which is in no way related to Irish is certainly "bainteach leis an teanga"! Logic a là Dennis... Well, well. Tá Róman ar ais, cé nach bhfuil sé sásta a ainm féin a chur leis an teachtaireacht. Tá sé an-éasca an uimhir tar éis "Posted from:" a leanúint go Vilnius. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:02 pm: |
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A Dennis, Looks like I was typing when you had already entered you posting above. Looks like we agree about polemically-based postings, so I see your point about writing in English versus writing in Irish. FRC-GRMA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teachyourselfirish/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishlinguistics/
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2346 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:07 pm: |
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quote:I'm getting the impression that the latest round of topic-control attempts is a reaction to the enforcement of a political-free environment and less about whether we discuss the windswept landscapes of Ireland or California. Ní fíor. Ní maith liom a lán geabaireachta a fheiceáil i mBéarla nach bhfuil bainteach leis an teanga. Sin an méid. Is cur amú ama é , fiú nuair atá sé neamhurchóideach. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2347 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:10 pm: |
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quote:Looks like we agree about polemically-based postings, so I see your point about writing in English versus writing in Irish. Tá muid ar aon intinn mar sin. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 33 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:17 pm: |
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B'fheidir go bhfuil Gaeltacht ann i Vilnius, nach bhfuil? FRC-GRMA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teachyourselfirish/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishlinguistics/
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2349 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:24 pm: |
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B'fhéidir go bhfuil sceach ag lámhach ó chúl sceiche in Vilnius. Fainic! Tá focail ag imirt san abairt thuas. (Message edited by dennis on January 19, 2007) You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Séamas_Ó_neachtain
Member Username: Séamas_Ó_neachtain
Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:57 pm: |
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Mar an duine is mó a bhíonn ag caint faoin bpolaitíocht as Gaeilge ar an idirlíon, b'fhéidir, molaim go hard daoibh an t-ábhar sin a sheachaint go huile is go hiomlán. Tá áiteanna eile ar fáil dá leithéid. Cé nach mbíonn sé ar intinn ag daoine, uaireanta, a bheith mímhúinte, is minic nach dtuigeann daoine an rud a chuireann isteach ar dhaoine eile (ní thuigeann siad nach n-aontaíonn a saol ar fad leo, mar shampla). Ní minic a fheicim aon chonspóid faoin bpolaitíocht atá dea-mhúinte. Tá sé sin an-deacair don mórámh. Seachnaítear an t-ábhar. Agus níl aon leithscéal ann d'éinne bheith ag scríobh as Béarla faoi, mar a tharlaíonn anseo uaireanta. Just say no to politics. |
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Maripat
Member Username: Maripat
Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 03:00 pm: |
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Rules are rules. More so here, because more people on this thread are here as learners not politicians, fighters, and die hards. The questions that have started thought, such as 'Why did you want to speak Irish'? was a lovely thread, and a great help. Discussing different dialects, and historical info is great too. If you are a nitpicker, see if the Irish only forum is for you. I am here to learn not fight. I appreciate the experienced individuals that have helped me here, by reading what I write and adding corrections so I can comprehend and use Irish more correctly. (Sounds right?) I wrote this all in English, though I wished to write it in Irish, but I did not want to be misconstruded or have my sentences disected, when full comprehension is why I am answering. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 885 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 06:57 pm: |
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WARNING: I'm not particularly happy at the moment. When you talk about Roman it makes me miss him. :( I was sad when Caitriona left, but I was angry when Roman left. It was their own choices to leave so some of the blame rests on them, but I'm still very unhappy with Padsirs for "dissing" on Roman repeatedly. I think that things like politics, if handled correctly and cordially should be allowed to be discussed as long as they relate to Irish. Otherwise it seems odd that anyone would care to bring them up. As to writing in Irish, people get away with a lot more controversial things when writing in it and perhaps that is because it is in Irish and thus is allowed. It seems though that whether in English or Irish, unrelated political issues are pointless, especially American politics. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 780 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 07:08 pm: |
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I'm trying to keep starting new threads as to keep people away from political warfare, and base them on simple conversation - favourite word, what you're listening to etc and with the likes, politics doesn't really come into the equation. Hopefully learners will use them and improve... Bímse féin ag cur tús le snáithí nua ionas nach mbacfaidh daoine leis an bpolaitaíocht agus iad bunaithe ar chomhrá simplí - focal is fearr, cad atá tú ag éisteacht leis agus a leithéid, ní thagann polaitaíocht i gceist. Táim ag súil go n-úsáidfí foghlaiméoirí agus daoine eile iad agus feabhas a chur ar a gcuid Gaeilge.. A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 888 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 07:48 pm: |
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Is maith liom do snathi (threads) ??????? Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 785 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:00 pm: |
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Snáithe = thread. Go raibh maith agat - but i see you still haven't replied **yet** !!! ;) Ye people take life too seriously, my threads are there with the aim of teaching Gaeilge while simultaneously having a bit of craic! ;) A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Podsers
Member Username: Podsers
Post Number: 195 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:17 pm: |
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I'm just going to come out and say it why are you such a sad person pestering normal people Rómán? Táim direach dul amach ag rá canathaoibh a fuil tú chomh brónach a bheith ag cur isteach ar dhaoine Rómán... Bhuel anseo beidh mé ag caint leis an moderator, níl sé sin i gceart duine anseo ag cur achrann ar dhaoine. Ríona I am only "dissing" on Roman because he's upset somemany people, and he starts making ridiculuous comments in posts that are totally unrelated, so it's quite justified. Ríona, táim ag "dissáil" faoi Rómán mar níl alán daoine sásta leis agús tosaíonn sé go minic ag rá rudaí seafóideacha sna threads agus níl aon chiall leo. Mar sin tá cúis ann. |
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2357 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:23 pm: |
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Tá Róman tar éis olc a chur ar a lán daoine anseo. Ní uair amháin, ach arís is arís eile. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Mícheál
Member Username: Mícheál
Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:30 pm: |
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Go hiontach, a Dhomhnaill, ach, léigh mé seo inniu: (Wonderful, Domhnall, but, I read this today:) "Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught." - Sir Winston Churchill Bíonn tú scoilt (nó blosc) mé suas go minic. (You often "crack - get it, craic) me up.) (Okay, it is an attempt to pun, not to be taken literally - perhaps it is because I watch too much Absolutely Fabulous, Alan Partridge, Benny Hill, Footballers' Wive$, Little Britain, etc.) Maidhc Bím ag foghlaim Fáilte Roimh Cheartú
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Podsers
Member Username: Podsers
Post Number: 197 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:31 pm: |
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Go raibh maith agat a Dennis, sin a rud a chuireann fearg ormsa. Ba chóir go mbeadh daoine i gcoinne gníomharthaí mar sin gan a bheith ar a son! |
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 443 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 10:45 am: |
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Riona, Take heart mo chailín....many have suffered some emotional/political/social calamity on this site and have chosen to leave, only to return again.... I can think of at least one! mise, James Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 4779 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 10:51 am: |
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N'fheadar cérbh é, a James? Lia airm éigin, sílim? Fáilte ar ais (arís), a chara liom! (Bheadh "a chailín liom" níos nadúrtha ná "mo chailín", thuas) |
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Mícheál
Member Username: Mícheál
Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:00 am: |
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Mise freisin, a Riona and James! Ná fág! Le do thoil é fanaigí.) (Me also, Riona! Do not leave! Please all (you (pl.)) stay.) Maidhc Bím ag foghlaim Fáilte Roimh Cheartú
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 787 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:33 am: |
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If you leave you let them win. Ignoring their posts and their requests will lead to them getting bored agus le cúnamh dé imeoidh siad! A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 444 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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A Aonghuis, I missed that first sentence completely...try as I might I can't put those words into anything resembling an intelligible sentence. No error on your end...I'm just not finding Cerbh agus airm or any version thereof in my foclóir póca. Ach, go raibh maith agat as do "Fáilte aris"! Í mo thuairim, Níl suoímh eile nios fearr mar suoímh seo! Bím ag foghlaim fós, ach nach bhfuil ag foghlaim sinn ar fad? (Let me know if that's even close to correct!!) A Mhícheál, No worries on this end. I've come and gone more times than I can count. You have to have thick "cyber-skin" on sites like this. After all, these are just electrons we're trading here. What I was trying to convey to Riona is that it is the nature of sites, and real-live, flesh and blood groups for that matter...it is the nature of these groups that people will come and go as a result of some perceived affront to their emotions/intellect/character etc. Some will leave, never to be seen again, while others will cool off, readjust their outlook and return. As I said, I can think of at least one (mise) who has taken this latter approach. As always; Fáilte Roimh Cheartú. Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 4785 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:59 am: |
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arm -> ginideach airm cé + arbh -> cérbh Bím ag foghlaim fós, ach nach bhfuil muid ar fad ag foghlaim sinn ar fad? arm [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh] uirlis troda; uirlis oibre; airm le chéile (lucht airm); fórsaí troda faoi airm (arm na tíre). lia [ainmfhocal firinscneach den cheathrú díochlaonadh] dochtúir, fear leighis. |
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Mícheál
Member Username: Mícheál
Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:24 pm: |
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Is fíor sin, a James. Scríobh mé go mall mar sin scríobh mé i nGaeigle agus i mBéarla ag an ceann am le cad tá a fhios agam. Agus mo leahbair! (It is true, James. I write slowly because I write in Irish and English at the same time with what I know. And my books! Ok, I give up for the moment, though I am trying very hard to become more fluent in Irish. It is hard work, but it is worth it. I have been slammed several times on this discussion board but I have a very thick craiceann (is breá liom an focal sin!). I am so close to the edge of going over from less fluent to more fluent that I can taste the sweetness. But it does not come in using English; it comes in using Irish, wherever and whenever. The people who post on this board have been so helpful to me that I am very, very grateful. I do not care if they are from the north, south, protestant, catholic, political, non-political, insert-word-of-choice sexual, british, welsh, dutch, swedish, finnish, russian, latvian, spanish, french, canadian, australian, american, klingon, romulan, as long as everything is approached from the view of the community of Gaeilgeoirí. Everyone, whether native or not, had to learn Irish at sometime. This is our time. I tell myself all the time: If I want to be a writer, I write. If I want to be an Irish speaker, I speak Irish. Ok, the coffee is wearing off. Tar éis chun mo Ghaeilge ...) Maidhc Bím ag foghlaim Fáilte Roimh Cheartú
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2362 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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quote:scríobh mé i nGaeigle agus i mBéarla ag an ceann am le cad tá a fhios agam. ag an am céanna = at the same time leis an méid a bhí/atá ar eolas agam = with what I knew/know (lit., with the amount that was/is on knowledge at-me) leis an méid Gaeilge atá agam = with as much Irish as I know (An bhfuil tú sásta leis na habairtí sin, a Aonghus? B'fhéidir go bhfuil dóigh níos fearr ann len é sin a rá.) Maith thú arís, a Mhaidhc! Sin é an dóigh is fearr le Gaeilge a fhoghlaim: bain úsáid aiste chuile lá. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 446 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
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Go raibh maith agat as do leidi (hints?), A Aonghuis. Tigim anois! Agus, bhí aon lia airm, ceart go leor ach casaidh sé. Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.
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Mícheál
Member Username: Mícheál
Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 01:08 pm: |
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Go raibh maith agat, a Dennis! Caithfídh mé a bí ag dul anois, nó beidh mé sa cábán haiste. Clois mo bhean chéile ... (Thanks, Dennis! I must be going now, or I will be in the dog house. I hear my wife ...) Maidhc Bím ag foghlaim Fáilte Roimh Cheartú
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 1400 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 01:12 pm: |
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Níl fada ar an litir, I, in Micheál (d'ainneoin na caoi ina bhfuaimnítear é). -- Fáilte Roimh Cheartú -- Ná húsáidigí focail Béarla agus sibh ag labhairt Gaeilge liom, le bhur dtoil. Ní thabharfaidh mé freagra do theachtaireacht ar bith a bhfuil "Gaeilge" neamhghlan inti.
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 4790 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 05:00 pm: |
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quote:An bhfuil tú sásta leis na habairtí sin, a Aonghuis? Táim. Clois imse m'iníon.... |
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Mícheál
Member Username: Mícheál
Post Number: 151 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:30 pm: |
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Go raibh maith agat, a Aonghuis, Mar shampla eile: Ní chloisim m'iníon ach cloisimse mo bhean chéile. Sílimse tá a fhios agamsa anois. (Another example: I do not hear my daughter but I hear my wife. I think I know now.) Maidhc Bím ag foghlaim Fáilte Roimh Cheartú
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 4795 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 10:56 am: |
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go bhfuil a fhios agamsa... Bailíonn brobh beart! nó I ndiadh a chéile a tógtar na caisleáin! Maith thú. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 892 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:03 am: |
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Klingons and Romulans huh, well I won't be scared until the Borg start typing on here :) I have no intention of leaving because I really enjoy being here and I won't be run out by anyone. A Phadsirs, I'm just curious, how do you know that people left because of Roman, I mean, are you the person that all unsatisfied users e-mail or do you hack into the administrator's in-box, (sort of smiling but not completely) Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2383 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:08 am: |
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quote:A Phadsirs, Nach féidir leat a ainm a scríobh i gceart? You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. -Kenny Rogers
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Mac_léinn
Member Username: Mac_léinn
Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 09:48 am: |
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quote:I mean, are you the person that all unsatisfied users e-mail..... Is é an riarachán, b'fheidir? FRC-GRMA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teachyourselfirish/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishlinguistics/
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