http://www.flightoftheearls.ie/gaeilge/indexg.html

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Is é atá i gceist le ’Imeacht na nIarlaí 2007’ ná comóradh ceannródaíoch idirnáisiúnta a dheánamh ar cheann de na heachtraí agus na tréimhsí is tábhachtaí i stair na héireann a tharla 400 bliain ó shin cothrom na bliana seo. Sa bhliain 1607, d’fhág grúpa d’uaisle na héireann a dtír agus a muintir agus iad ar lorg tearmainn agus cabhrach san Eoraip dá gcearta. Tugadh Imeacht na nIarlaí ar á n-imeacht, imeacht a chur cor sa stair agus a d’fhág a macalla go dtí an lá inniu.

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Tugadh Imeacht na nIarlaí ar a n-imeacht

Nó Imeacht na nGéanna Fiáine. Cé a chum an nath sin? File, is dócha.

Bhí na géanna sna sála ar na hIarlaí! An dream seo amháin atá luaite le Imeacht na nIarlaí.

Is iomaí duine a d'imigh ó shin (ach d'fhill roinnt againn!).

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Níl gaeilge ar an suíomh don mhéid seo a leanas;

Interesting Historical Information
1. Flight of the Earls marked the end of an ancient Gaelic order that had lasted over a thousand years.

2. Up until 1607 the O'Neill Dynasty of Tyrone was the longest surviving Monarchy in Europe.

3. Flight of the Earls cleared the way for the Plantation of Ulster.

4. 99 people were on board the boat that set sail from Rathmullan.

5. Many of the Gallaghers and O'Briens onboard went to Spain and became high ranked officers in the Spanish Army. Over the years the O'Briens of Spain changed their name to Obrégon. Many people of this name now live in Spain and Latin America.

6. Rory O'Donnell left his pregnant wife behind.

7. Cuchonnacht Maguire of Fermanagh arranged the boat for his fellow Earls to leave. Maguire was said to be a master of disguise!

8. Rory O'Donnell was the 1st Earl of Tyrconnell. He was the brother of the famous Red Hugh who died in Spain in 1602. Many books have been written about Red Hugh and even a Walt Disney film was made about his life - 'The Fighting Prince of Donegal'.

9. Rory O'Donnell and his brother Cathbharr both died in Rome within a year of leaving Ireland. Cuchonnacht Maguire of Fermanagh also died in 1608 in Genoa, Italy.

10. O'Neill died in Rome in 1616 the same year as William Shakespeare passed away.


... It really was the beginning of the end for Gaelic Ireland...

Or was it?

Nach bhfuil cursaí an lae inniu maidir leis an nGaeilge níos láidire ná mar a bhí le 150 bliain anuas?

I have some things I could say about that, but I don't have all the facts so perhaps I ought not to speak on the matter. Anyhow, GRMA a Dhomhnail as an eolas.

I think I need to find that video, never heard of it before but it would probably be interesting to watch, despite the potentially high incidence of inaccuracies.

Beir bua agus beannacht

Ríona, i was aiming to spark debate, not give my own opinion, the piece at the end translates as;

Aren't irish language affairs better than any time in the last 150 years?

My rather harsh opinions are not about how Irish is doing now, after all I really think that things are getting better and I'm excited. Rather the thing I ought not to say without more information is more about the people who picked up and left their country when it needed them most.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Bhí na géanna sna sála ar na hIarlaí!

Ah, tuigim anois. Na saighdiúirí a lean iad atá i gceist. Meas tú an i mBéarla ("the Wild Geese") nó i nGaeilge ("na Géanna Fiáine") a tugadh an t-ainm fileata sin orthu den chéad uair?

Seo ceist saghas aisteach tá's agam! ach cén fáth ar éalaigh siad go léir? chaill siad an cath ach nach mbeadh sé níos fearr fan sa tír chun troid am éicint aríst amach anseo nó bás a fháil ar son a muintir is a dtír.
Ní raibh sé i gceist acu filleadh go brách aríst ach an oiread.
D'fhág siad Éire ar a haonar!

Ar thóir chabhair ó na tíortha móra caitliceacha a bhíodar, an papa i measc na daoine agus airm mór aige.

Chonaic me clar ar RTE faoin Iarla Thir Eoghain agus duirt se gur chaith se a am sa Spainn ag lorg cabhair chun fill ar Eireann le hairm mhor agus a tir a aththogaint.

Tá breall oraibh, d'fhág siad an tír mar bhí siad buartha go mbeidís curtha faoi ghlas ag na Gaill. Ní raibh sé i gceist acu arm Caitliceach a fháil.

Ní thuigim cén fáth go mbeidh muid ag ceiliúradh an éachta náireacha seo

Do fhoinse misé féin???

Aontaím ní ceart ná cóir dúinn bheith ag ceiliúradh é seo seachas bheith ag comóradh abair.

Ní cheart riamh dearmad a dhéanamh dár stair.

Eachtraí mar seo - is iadsan na cúiseanna go bhfuil na fadhbanna ann maidir leis an nGaeilge.

We should just learn from past mistakes and aim to build a more equal world for everyone as seo amach.

And you hide behind a cloud of darkness. Grow up.

It makes sense, Ríona. I wouldn't let some randomer bother you!

And i really think people should be made register to use this forum. I can't see any decent reason why any user / admin would be against such a move?

"Rather the thing I ought not to say without more information is more about the people who picked up and left their country when it needed them most. "

What do you know about out-migration from Ireland?

Should we all be on our hands and knees 'among the rocks, and grass' for your aesthetic pleasure, so you can come and find an 'authentic experience (as you are 'self-actualizing').

Your view of Ireland, as usual, is filtered through cliches and other skewed concepts. Historical events in Ireland were ugly, and like in other subject populations, outcomes were generally not in the majority's favour.

Many of the 'windswept landscapes' (like Donegal), are remote and lack services and jobs. Why, even in Letterkenny, I saw boarded up houses! Poverty -such fun!

People in those areas are kept docile via political 'big manship' (TDs) and just enough civil service posts coupled with a general, if unspoken, sense of inferiority than comes from such relative poverty and marginalisation. Free enterprise jobs pay less than government jobs, so for a good standard of life, you often need to go elsewhere.

Such places look that way as the English cut down the trees to pay for war and loans, and then parcelled it up to suit grazing. They are higher than average above sea-level, so tend towards poor land, which historically means small settlements, which equals less people. Sheep and government payments ensure the land never regenerates, but is frozen in appearance.

Today, only sheep and holiday homes thrive on such baren landscapes. They are sad and lonely, but certainly not sexy places. As long as most jobs are politically modified to be placed in urban areas for vote reasons, and as long as modern states need to run on parasitic tax codes, low relative populations with low tax outputs will simply be left with scraps. People are human, not props for your enjoyment. They need (and go after) their own lives, and Irish, English, Polish, and Mandarin will go by the wayside if needs be

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Scríobh BRN: "Rather the thing I ought not to say without more information is more about the people who picked up and left their country when it needed them most. " ....What do you know about out-migration from Ireland?

A BRN, aren't you merely confirming Riona's perspective? That is, Riona is merely seeking information about the reasons why people left at a critical time in Ireland's history. In the rest of your post above you seem to be imagining things that Riona never said such as your remark Your view of Ireland, as usual, is filtered through cliches and other skewed concepts.

An léitheoir intinne thú?

Oh, right. Sorry Riona -I should have read the whole thread!

[Red face] .........

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Such places look that way as the English cut down the trees to pay for war and loans, and then parcelled it up to suit grazing. They are higher than average above sea-level, so tend towards poor land, which historically means small settlements, which equals less people. Sheep and government payments ensure the land never regenerates, but is frozen in appearance.

Today, only sheep and holiday homes thrive on such baren landscapes. They are sad and lonely, but certainly not sexy places

A BRN, I appreciate your insight into the reasons why much of Donegal has that "windswept landscape." When I went to Oideas Gael in Glen Colmcille in 2005, I was awestruck by the landscape, and never realized that it was due to the wide-scale destruction of trees. I got the same feeling the first time I visited California, just outside of San Francisco. I was shocked to see nothing but mountains of brown-colored grass. No trees! They were all cut down to build cities like San Fancisco - how depressing! It's too bad we couldn't "magically" plant a few million trees and restore the area to what it must have once looked like.

Mac Léinn Foraoiseachta

tabhartais, aon duine?

http://www.rootedinireland.com/index.php?page=Purchase_Information


"ruafholtach" ....do you know many sheepfarmers? i'd say you're closer w/ the holiday homes, but the sheepfarmers are a dying breed.
...."so for a good standard of life, you often need to go elsewhere." whose standard?
"They are sad and lonely.." dáirire???
"Your view of Ireland, as usual, is filtered..." your statements surely strike me as an 'outsider looking in.' i would prefer to hear the opinion from these allegedly docile, substandard, poverty-stricken, frozen people.....which i have...which is rather different than your official opinion.

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tabhartais, aon duine?

An súimiúil - go raibh maith agat. If fifty of us get together, we could buy one in the name of Daltaí.

If we own the tree, do we also own the land beneath it? I wonder when the tree gets big enough, could we build a tree house in it - use it as a sort of retreat.

Slan,

Shawneen Appleseed.

"If we own the tree, do we also own the land beneath it? " ni leat; nil agatsa ach fréamhacha

ach...
féach anseo!
http://www.buyireland.com/home.php

GRMMA Mac_Leinn you are always so kind to me.

In saying what I said about the Wild Geese, I only meant it about themselves and no others in subsequent generations who left, obviously for good reasons, they really had no choice in the matter. And I might add that what I said was tentative and I'll gladly change my mind about my opinions of the Wild Geese if someone tells me more about them. More knowledge may change my rather uninformed mind.


A BhRN, Did you seriously just read my post and none of the others and simply go off on me for it? It is kind of funny looking back if that's what you really did.

Even so I'm sorry that I offend you so much. :)

Beir bua agus beannacht

Rooted in ireland - where in the bejaysus is that actually based? That phone no on their website was for anywhere but ireland!

Why, it's located right here in the US, honeybunch! Actually, I take that back. The first phone number is plainly a US one but the postal addresses listed are in Dublin and Blackrock.

As to the contretemps abovethread, I viewed Riona's comments as directed toward the Royals who fled, not the common folk who did thereafter, for good reasons, mainly survival.

The vehemence of the ensuing tirade makes me wonder just how contemptuous Americans are viewed generally these days in Eire. I never found that attitude anywhere remotely near as prevalent among Irish as it is among other Europeans, but perhaps things are changing. Unfortunate.

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The vehemence of the ensuing tirade makes me wonder just how contemptuous Americans are viewed generally these days in Eire.

As we veer off topic again. *Bainteach leis an nGaeilge* Céard faoi sin nach dtuigeann sibh?

http://www.buyireland.com/home.php operates under the name: BUY IRISH INTERNET SERVICES LIMITED

Type
Company

Number 379442

Name
BUY IRISH INTERNET SERVICES LIMITED

Address
7, CORR CASTLE,
SUTTON,
DUBLIN 13.


Registered
15/12/2003

Status
Normal

Effective date: 15/12/2003

Last AR Date
15/06/2006


Next AR Date
15/06/2007

The 'Next AR Date' refers to the statutory Annual Return Date (ARD). This is a date after 1 March 2002 to which an annual return should be made up. If a company has annual returns outstanding for previous years the obligation to file these returns is a continuing one.

Last Accounts To Date
31/10/2005

Information available at:

Companies Registration Office
Parnell House
14 Parnell Square
Dublin 1

Scríobh Riona: GRMMA Mac_Leinn you are always so kind to me.

Tá Billiún Fáilte Romhat, a Riona.

Conas deirtear kindness begets kindness as Gaeilge?

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féach anseo!
http://www.buyireland.com/home.php

An-súimiúil, sílim go cheannaoidh mé taobh eigin. Cé mhéad talamh atá uaim as clochán?

Mac Léinn Clochán

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Conas deirtear kindness begets kindness as Gaeilge?

Tá cúpla nath sa tSean-Ghaeilge a bheadh feiliúnach:

Ad·cota féle frithfholta. Generosity begets itself (lit. reciprocal behaviour).

Ad·cota sogním soálaig. A good deed begets good behaviour.

Agus ar an taobh eile:

Ad·cota fergach frithorcuin. An angry person elicits a backlash.

In Modern Irish, there's:

Dlíonn comaoin cúiteamh. A favour demands repayment. One good turn deserves another.

Go raibh maith agat a Dennis. Is breá liom gach ceann acu.

Mack

Riona,
your very gracious, and by that grace amplify my stupidity. My apologies for jumping to conlusions, and ranting. I will, ahem, listen/read more carefully, and study more, which would be more in my line...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/planters/es02.shtml#audio

BBC2 are playing the documentary 'Flight of the Earls' on Wednesday night

Deas an píosa gaeilge agat ansin Dennis..

Sa nua-ghaeilge ach go háirithe..

I'll be at school when that is playing :( Otherwise I'd like to watch it so I have the full story, or at least the fuller story.

Beir bua agus beannacht