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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 08:13 pm: |
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Please could someone versed in Conemara tell me the missing forms that accord with Standard below. Thanks go mba --> gura(b) nár --> nára(b) ní ba --> níorbh ((ní + ro =níor) + (ba -->bha)) an mba --> an [mba] an fíor sin? nach mba -->nár/nárbh go mba -->??? a mba -->??? mara mba -->??? |
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Maidhc_Ó_g
Member Username: Maidhc_Ó_g
Post Number: 294 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:46 pm: |
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I gCois Fhairrge: Ba mba Ní ba An mba Nach mba go mba nach mba Dhá mba Mara mba Má ba Standard: Ba mba Níor ba Ar mba Nár mba gur mba nár mba Dhá mba Mara mba Má ba |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 983 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:05 am: |
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not to be an annoyance, but i'm still trying to wrap my brain around all the forms of the copula and when it is appropriate to use what. is there any way someone "in the know" would be willing to take the standard list above and show what each is, either with examples or straight translation...and any other forms that are not there. i'd be forever in your debt... |
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Kieran (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 04:26 am: |
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The Copula has two tenses: Present/future and past/conditional. The examples below are of Connemara Irish, with standard Irish in brackets where different. Note the 3rd psn differs from the rest and so is separately noticed. Also note: dochtúr in Connemara, dochtúir in Standard Irish. I might have missed a few lenitions but I think the following is basically right. Dochtúr would resist lenition in Connemara Irish. PRESENT 1. Positive statement I am a doctor: Is dochtúr mé. I am the doctor: Is mé an dochtúr. He is a doctor: Is dochtúr é. He is the doctor: Is é an dochtúr é (repeat the pronoun). 2. Negative statement I am not a doctor: Ní dochtúr mé. I am not the doctor: Ní mé an dochtúr. He is not a doctor: Ní dochtúr é. He is not the doctor: Ní hé an dochtúr é. (prefix h before the pronoun.) 3. Questions Am I a doctor? Ar dochtúr mé? [STANDARD: an dochtúir mé?] Am I the doctor? Ar mé an dochtúr? [STANDARD: an mé an dochtúir?] Is he a doctor? Ar dochtúr é? [STANDARD: an dochtúir é?] Is he the doctor? Ab é an dochtúr é? [STANDARD: an é an dochtúir é?] 4. Negative questions Am I not a doctor? Nach dochtúr mé? Am I not the doctor? Nach mé an dochtúr? Is he not a doctor? Nach dochtúr é? Is he not the doctor? Nach é an dochtúr é? 5. Dependent She says that I am a doctor. Deir sí gur dochtúr mé. She says that I am the doctor. Deir sí gur mé an dochtúr. She says that he is a doctor. Deir sí gur dochtúr é. She says that he is the doctor. Deir sí gurb é an dochtúr é. 6. Negative dependent She says that I am not a doctor. Deir sí nach dochtúr mé. She says that I am not the doctor. Deir sí nach mé an dochtúr. She says that he is not a doctor. Deir sí nach dochtúr é. She says that he is not the doctor. Deir sí nach é an dochtúr é. 7. If clauses If I am a doctor… Más dochtúr mé… If I am the doctor… Más mé an dochtúr… If he is a doctor… Más dochtúr é… If he is the doctor.. Más é an dochtúr é… 8. If not clauses If I am not a doctor… Mara dochtúr mé… [STANDARD: mura dochtúir mé.] If I am not the doctor… Mara mé an dochtúr… [STANDARD: mura mé an dochtúir.] If he is not a doctor… Mara dochtúr é… [STANDARD: mura dochtúir é.] If he is not the doctor… Marab é an dochtúr é… [STANDARD: murab é an dochtúir é.] NOTE: the present copula can also have future meaning. PAST 1. Positive statements I was a doctor. Ba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: ba dhochtúir mé.] I was the doctor. Ba mé an dochtúr. He was a doctor. Ba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: ba dhochtúir é.] He was the doctor. Ba é an dochtúr é. 2. Negative statements I was not a doctor. Ní ba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: níor dhochtúir mé.] I was not the doctor. Ní ba mé an dochtúr. [STANDARD: níor mé an dochtúir.] He was not a doctor. Ní ba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: níor dhochtúir é.] He was not the doctor. Ní ba é an dochtúr é. [STANDARD: níorbh é an dochtúir é.] 3. Questions Was I a doctor? An mba dochtúr mé? [STANDARD: ar dhochtúir mé?] Was I the doctor? An mba mé an dochtúr? [STANDARD: ar mé an dochtúir?] Was he a doctor? An mba dochtúr é? [STANDARD: ar dhochtúir é?] Was he the doctor? An mba é an dochtúr é? [STANDARD: arbh é an dochtúir é?] 4. Negative questions Was I not a doctor? Nach mba dochtúr mé? [STANDARD: nár dhochtúir mé?] Was I not the doctor? Nach mba mé an dochtúr? [STANDARD: nár mé an dochtúir?] Was he not a doctor? Nach mba dochtúr é? [STANDARD: nár dhochtúir é?] Was he not the doctor? Nach mba é an dochtúr é? [STANDARD: nárbh é an dochtúir é?] 5. Dependent She says that I was a doctor. Deir sí go mba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: deir sí gur dochtúir mé.] She says that I was the doctor. Deir sí go mba mé an dochtúr. [STANDARD: deir sí gur mé an dochtúir.] She says that he was a doctor. Deir sí go mba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: deir sí gur dochtúir é.] She says that he was the doctor. Deir sí go mba é an dochtúr é. [STANDARD: deir sí gurbh é an dochtúir é.] 6. Negative dependent She says that I was not a doctor. Deir sí nach mba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: deir sí nár dhochtúir mé.] She says that I was not the doctor. Deir sí nach mba mé an dochtúr. [STANDARD: deir sí nár mé an dochtúir.] She says that he was not a doctor. Deir sí nach mba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: deir sí nár dhochtúir é.] She says that he was not the doctor. Deir sí nach mba é an dochtúr é. [STANDARD: deir sí nárbh é an dochtúir é.] 7. If clauses (past) If I was a doctor: Má ba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: má ba dhochtúir mé.] If I was the doctor: Má ba mé an dochtúr. If he was a doctor: Má ba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: má ba dhochtúir é.] If he was the doctor: Má ba é an dochtúr é. 8. If clauses (conditional) If I were a doctor: Dhá mba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: dá mba dochtúir mé.] If I were the doctor: Dhá mba mé an dochtúr. [STANDARD: dá mba mé an dochtúir.] If he were a doctor: Dhá mba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: dá mba dochtúir é.] If he were the doctor: Dhá mba é an dochtúr é. [STANDARD: dá mba é an dochtúir é.] 9. Unless clauses (conditional) Unless I were a doctor: Mara mba dochtúr mé. [STANDARD: murar dochtúir mé.] Unless I were the doctor: Mara mba mé an dochtúr. [STANDARD: murar mé an dochtúir.] Unless he were a doctor: Mara mba dochtúr é. [STANDARD: murar dochtúir é.] Unless he were the doctor: Mara mba é an dochtúr é. [STANDARD: murarbh é an dochtúir é.] |
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Kieran (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 04:43 am: |
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I made a mistake: in the past/conditional, gur takes lenition. Deir sí gur dochtúir mé - she says I am a doctor Deir sí gur dhochtúir mé - she says I was a doctor. |
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BRN (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 08:47 am: |
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Thanks Kieran, will mull that over! I've been looking into how the copula has changed in order to get a longtitudinal overview, so your list should be most helpful. If I should find a systematic formula, I will make a PDF. It might or might not be useful to anyone who learns like myself. |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 984 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 09:27 am: |
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go raibh míle, míle maith agat. =) |
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