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Jbachman
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 08:23 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Dia duit All. I have just began to learn Irish and thouht I'd drop in to the board and say hello..
I've visited (mainly luked)a few of the discussion boards and I can't wait till I can learn Irish so I can read the discussions..Especially the Riddles..I'm not real good at them, but I love to give them a try.
Anyway as I said I am a beginner, and I hope you all won't mind if I ask questions, if I have a problem..
Right now I'm just trying to understand the Irish grammer..Whew and I thought regular English was hard..(G)
Oh I just thought of a question..what is the easist way you found to learn Irish..I friend of mine suggested translating a childerns Irish Story book..
Look foward to hearing all your suggestions..Best wishes..Jennifer

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Gavin
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 09:36 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello and welcome Jennifer...

If you stick around here long enough I am sure you will hear plenty on this topic...Irish and how it should be learned seems to be a hot topic.

Do you know what kind of learner you are? I have noticed there are really two ways to learn a new language.

There's the translation approach, where you learn about the grammar and vocabulary of the langauge and then apply your knowledge to a something like a text or recording. This is the method commonly used for learning langauges in a school because it allows for a more academic approach.

Or there is the immersion approach that doesn't really concentrate on grammar so much but instead focuses on practicle conversational phrases and usages.

Both have their strengths, for instance with the translation method you will develope a better understand of how the language works, however, people often find that they can read and write the langauge but are very weak when it comes to speaking the language which is what learning a language is all about.

The immersion method is great for being able to converse in the language, however, people often find that they get trapped because they learn particular phrases and have trouble using the language outside of these phrases. They lack the knowledge of the language to use something other than the phrases they have been taught.

So obviously you want to find method that includes both ideas to some degree.

Translating children's books is a very good idea. They are usually simple enough for an adult to figure out what is going on even without being proficient in the language. I recommend a course called "Inish Dom." It is a childrens course in Irish that is pretty simple to follow along with, but does a nice job of introducing grammar ideas. Also, it comes with a CD that lets you hear the majority of the course in Irish so you have something to immitate. And if I remember right, this course is the one where the native speakers are children who really overdo the pronunciation of the words which is something adults don't do in some of the courses out there...plus they are just so cute sounding.

You can find the course at a place called Litriocht:

http://www.litriocht.com

I wish you luck and hope you stick with the language...I think you will find there is something unique about it. At times it will leave you so frustrated and angry...and in the end you will love it even more. Kind of like a new puppy :0)

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Jbachman
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 11:46 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi Gavin:
I believe I am a using the immersion approach, where I am learning the practicle conversational phrases and usages. Though I would like to learn both, I am finding that the Grammer part is rather difficult..But I plan to keep at it..
Btw thanks so much for the great link to the Irish book site..I have been looking all day for childrens books in Irish, but have not had much luck.. I found the book you spoke of and have it on order..maybe with it be a childs book, the grammer will be a little easier to learn..I also ordered The childrens book the Little red hen..
Speaking of books.. I was seaching for Irish books last night on Amazon.com (uk) and I found The first Harry Potter book in Irish..I was so excited..I can't wait till I will be able to read it..
Well off to bed..It was great chatting with you and look foward to talking with you again soon..Best Wishes..jennifer

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Gavin
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 12:25 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

No problem...I think you will like the course. When I first got it, I was really upset because it reminded me of a coloring book my nieces and nephews have. I forgot that this book was designed for very young children. But I wanted to get something out of it after having paid money for it. When it was all done, I was surprised at the vocabulary introduced around 600 words in the first book. And even though they don't come out and give you grammar lessons, they show a lot of beginning to middle level Irish in it. And like I said, its greatest strength are the CD's that come with it. The children's pronunciation really help the new learner because they come across very clearly on the recordings.

If you want to start learning and speaking Irish quickly, the immersion method is the best choice. The only problem I have noticed with this method is that to get the most out of it, you really need someone there to practice with. So...someone who wants to learn on their own has a harder time with this method.

The trick is to find someone to learn with and honestly practice with them, or find someone who is about your level and practice with them. That way you can motivate each other by progressing little by little. I am sure if you ask, there are plenty of people here who are just learning or are more advanced and would love to help.

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Domhnall
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Username: Domhnall

Post Number: 673
Registered: 06-2005


Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 07:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Dia is mhuire dhuit Jennifer..

Indeed, it is one mo-fo of a complicated language at times but stick with it and you'll fall in love..
Or if not, you'll just fall for me! lol

A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river

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Jbachman
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 09:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi Gavin:
I can't wait to get the childrens books..that grammer, whew..
I will post and see if I can find someone to practice with..My husband is also learning Irish with me and we practice with each other, but it would be nice to be able to talk to someone who has a little more experince..
well guess I am off to practice my Irish..Slán go fóill.

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Jbachman
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 09:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi Domhnall:
Boy you are not joking..A mo-Fo It is, If I could just get the hang of the grammer, I think it would be so much easier. And I thought regular English was hard..Its nothing compared to another lanugage, but I am not going to give up.. I love learning the new phrase and trying them out on my husband, pugs and in-laws..
Just recently bought the little red hen and first Harry Potter book, both in Irish and I can't wait to be able to read them.
Well off for another cup of tea..great chatting with you..Slán go fóill.

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