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BRN (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Fál in Fianna Fáil

What is the story with fál here -is it a poetic term for Éirinn? Did the popular etemology bit where it is meant to be 'soldiers of destiny', arise from some sort of mistranslation when all the Celtic nonscense that is popular today was been fabricated in the 19th century? (Celtic Twilight, Druids of Stonehenge etc).

There is a discussion on Wiki about it, so I thought I'd ask.

PS. I cant believe the FF page has not been vandalised yet!

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Róman
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 01:47 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

You should know better,guys, but I was under impression that "Fianna Fáil" comes from national anthem. That is where the party got its name from. the ocuurence in the anthem is another question, I think it was composed on the basis of popular folk song.

To me "Fianna Fáil" has air of this "Tuath Dána" story, but I might be wrong.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 05:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It arises from confusion between two names for a rock which the kings of Tara were crowned on; Lia Fáil is one name; Cloch na Cinniúna the other.

Inis Fáil is a name for Ireland; one of many.

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G100054/text010.html

An seachtmhadh hainm, Inis Fáil, agus is iad Tuatha Dé Danann tug an t-ainm sin uirre, ó chloich tugsad leó innte, d'á ngairthí an Lia Fáil: agus ‘Saxum fatale’, eadhon, Cloch na Cinneamhna, gaireas Hector Boetius di, i stáir na h-Alban; agus fá cloch í ar a rabhadar geasa, óir do ghéiseadh sí fá an neach d'ár chóra flaitheas Éireann d' fhaghbháil re linn bhfear n-Éireann do bheith i mórdháil i d-Teamhraigh re togha rígh orra. Gidheadh, níor ghéis sí ó aimsir Chonchubhair i leith, óir do balbhuigheadh bréig-dhealbha an domhain an tan rugadh Críost;. Ag so rann deismireachta ag a shuidhiughadh gurab ó'n gcloich so gairthear Inis Fáil d'Éirinn [amhail adubhairt Cionaoth file]:—

1. An chloch atá fóm' dhá sháil,
uaithe ráidhtear Inis Fáil;
Idir dhá thráigh thuile theinn,
Magh Fáil uile for Éirinn.

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Antaine
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 07:13 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

aside from the more common "sinne fianna fáil" I've also heard the song sung "sinne laochra fáil"

an attempt at changing the lyrics so an active political party's name didn't appear?



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