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| Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 06:26 am: |
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/s/ + /r/ /s'/ + /r/ /s/ + /r'/ /s’/ + /r'/ /r/ + /s/ /r'/ + /s/ /r/ + /s'/ /r’/ + /s'/ Does anyone know the results of these two coming together? |
Róman
Member Username: Róman
Post Number: 485 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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/s/+/r/, /r/+/s/ - nothing special really happens. The other depends if it is beginning of the word. Have to look closer at the rhing /r'/+/s'/=/rs'/ - this one I know for sure. Like in "doirse" |
Peter
Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 295 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 03:12 pm: |
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/sr/, /rs/ are often pronounced with a velarised "sh" sound, i.e. not the one that's a common Irish "sh" (as in sean, for example), which is palatalised and, thus, sounds lighter. This thing (/sr/, /rs/ > /∫r/, /r∫/) happens in Connemara Irish. Thus words like srian, sruth, sráid have parallel forms with the initial /∫r/ or /sr/ cluster. In the case of /r/, /r'/ + /s'/ colliding at the word boundry (like an fear seo), the same rule holds true, and /s'/ becomes "darker". As far as I can tell, the "r"-sound in the clusters /∫r/, /r∫/ is a /r/ of the Queen's English (the so called retroflex approximant). It seems to me it has developed in this position all by itself with no external influence whatsoever. So, drawing a conclusion: /s/ + /r/ = /sr/, /∫r/ (e.g. srian, I have no word-internal examples) /s'/ + /r/ ? /s/ + /r'/ ? /s’/ + /r'/ ? /r/ + /s/ = /rs/, /r∫/ (e.g. fearsaid) /r'/ + /s'/ (through the stage of the depalatalised /r'/ of course)= /rs/, /r∫/ (e.g. fairsing, the /rs'/ varient seems by far more common in Connemara, though /rs/ is not turned down altogether; /rs/ is typical of Donegal (? tursach) as far as I can see) /r/ + /s'/ = /r∫/ (as well as in the all exx. above: relroflex "r", velarised "sh") /r’/ + /s/ ? (following the logic it must be /rs/, but as long as this sort of cluster can be found only at the word boundary, the rule may fail; an obair san iothlainn /rs/ or /r's/ ??) |