Grma a Aonghuis. That column in the paper sounds fun.

Beir bua agus beannacht

Professor Ní Bhraonáin has done a lot for the Irish language here in the New York area. I've had the privilege to study Irish with her and she's an excellent teacher. I wish I could make it up to the city for the weekly Irish Language Conversational Circle that she conducts on Monday nights at the Irish Arts Center in NYC. I'm sure they're a lot of fun while getting to improve my Irish.

Leasainm nua, a mhic?

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léan [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
brón géar, mairg (léan ort! mo léan géar!).


Foirmeacha
léan [ainmneach uatha]
léin [ginideach uatha]
léanta [ainmneach iolra]
léanta [ginideach iolra]

Níl, ach tar eis a rinne mé "the posting," bhí fhios agam a rinne mé dearmad. Bhuel, at least from my mistake I learned a new word, "léan." Go raibh maith agat a Aonghuis.

Anyway, here's a link to Irish Echo online, but I couldn't find the column that Prof. Elaine Ní Bhraonáin writes.


http://www.irishecho.com/index.cfm

Nara léan ort, a mhic!

A Aonghuis,

I've attempted to translate your response above, but am coming up shorthanded. I found "nára" (with fada) to be a form of is, meaning "may it not" ? and léan per your description above, to be a noun meaning "anguish." So, does "Nara léan ort, a mhic!" mean "Don't worry, student?"

Go raibh maith agat,

I know, I know, I typed my name wrong again (above)!

I read an article about Elaine in one of the newspapers about Paddies in New York. As I recall she was saying that she would be unlikely to find a similar position at home because she is not from a Gaeltacht

Is Elaine Ni Bhraonaín a professor? I thought that her job was as a columnist for the Irish Echo and that the classes were just partime. I have read her columns which can be amusing but certainly not scholarly and she seems to use a lot of béarlachas.

Beidh Seán Federico-Ó Murchú ag tabhairt léacht
dar teideal "Covering American news through the
medium of Irish" Dé Céadaoin 22 Márta 2006 sa
CUNY Graduate Center, 365 Fifth Avenue, New York,
NY. Tá aithne ag dhaoine i Meirceá ar Seán
Frederico-Ó Murchú mar gheall ar a obair a mbíonn
ar siúl aige leis an staisiún MSNBC. Is
bainisteoir nuachta don chósta oirthear é. Is
féidir é a chloisteáil in Éirinn áfach ar
Raidió na Gaeltachta go rialta ag déanamh tuairisc
ar a bhfuil ag tarlú i Meirceá.

Seolfaidh Lárionad Taighde ar Fhoghlaim na Gaeilge
suíomh nua idirlín ag an ócáid seo chomh maith:
www.paistilegaeilge.com. Is suíomh é seo ar
déanadh do thuistí atá ag tógáil clainne trí
mheán na Gaeilge agus tá sé lán d’eolas maidir
le na hacmhainní atá le fáil ar an ábhar seo.
Chuir saineolaithe teangeolaíchta an suíomh seo ar
bun agus is féidir ceisteanna a sheoladh chucu agus
cuirfidh siad freagra na ceisteanna ar an tsuíomh.

is this the person who posted here before?

quote:

A Aonghuis,

I've attempted to translate your response above, but am coming up shorthanded. I found "nára" (with fada) to be a form of is, meaning "may it not" ? and léan per your description above, to be a noun meaning "anguish." So, does "Nara léan ort, a mhic!" mean "Don't worry, student?"

Nára	may it not be
léan	anguish/sorrow
ort	on you

i. may you not suffer anguish.

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nára [mír]
mír ghuítheach dhiúltach leis an gcopail (mura fearr nára measa; nárab amhlaidh duit).

quote:

Is Elaine Ni Bhraonaín a professor?

Here's a link to CUNY's site which indicates that she's on the faculty of this college.

http://www.lehman.cuny.edu/lehman/irishamericanstudies/foireannbearla.html


I had assumed that someone who's on the faculty of a college who also teaches there is a professor, part time or full time.

Go raibh maith agat a Aonghuis for taking the time and effort to explain. Looks like I guessed right for a change!

Ypu will note MLnaG, that she is listed as a coordinator of the program, whereas others are definitely listed as professors so I don't think she has the title. Not to take away from her teaching ability, you don't need a string of degrees to be a good teacher.

You will note MLnaG, that she is listed as a coordinator of the program, Already duly noted.

you don't need a string of degrees to be a good teacher. Thanks for sharing that bit of wisdom, even though it wasn't needed.

It probably depends on what professor means to you.

At least in Europe "professor" is a title which not everyone who lectures in a University gets.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/professor

I don't profess to know what the usage in CUNY is.

I don't profess to know what the usage in CUNY is.

I profess not to know, so I wonder if that would make me a "professor?" of sorts?

quote:

Mac Léinn na Céimeanna

Feicim go bhfuil fadhb agat fós leis an nginideach iolra, a Mhic.

A Dennis,

Chuaigh mé go http://www.csis.ul.ie/focloir/ agus feicim:

céimeanna [ginideach iolra]

Ní thuigim cá bhuil mo fhadhb, leis "na?"

Mac Léinn na gCéimeanna - an bhfuil sé ceart anois?

A Dennis,

Sílim go dtuigim anois. I mistakenly thought that eclipsis occurred only for the genitive plural if the noun were feminine. But I now realize, for the genitive plural, eclipsis occurs whenever possible regardless of the nouns gender. I hope this is right.

Sometimes, I find that the only way I can get better with Irish is by making mistakes. Even though I've been told in class numerous times, and Fear na mBróg has clearly explained his pseudonym before, I still didn't learn the correct formation of the genitive plural until using it in my own pseudonyms.

I appreciate you (and Fear na mBróg on another thread) taking the time in pointing out that this mistake. I think I might have finally learned how to form the genitive plural. I hope so at least!

FRC - GRMA

Genitive plural:

na + [urú] + [genitive plural]

This rule is universal, regardless of what kind of noun you have:

Fear na mBróg
Cumann na nGael
in aice na mballaí
ag ceannach na dticéad

Genitive singular is mirror image of nominative singular, i.e.:

(1) Instead of feminine nouns taking a séimhiú, the masculine ones do instead. Same goes for the adjectives which follow:

an madra beag
ainm an mhadra bhig

an chéim mhór
ainm na céime móire

an t-ól buí
ainm an óil bhuí

an áit mhór
ainm na háite móire

an siúcra mór
ainm an tsiúcra mhóir

an tsráid fhada
ainm na sráide fada

If you aren't aware already, you'll notice that the adjectives also have a genitive case.

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I find that the only way I can get better with Irish is by making mistakes.

Is fíor duit! An rud is tábhachtaí ná an teanga a chleachtadh, chomh minic as is féidir, agus ní féidir é sin a dhéanamh gan meancóga a dhéanamh. As we make sentences in Irish, rather than just read/hear them, we are led into a more intimate understanding of the language. Often we self-correct as we go. Sometimes we need a little nudge. I have reasonably good French, but I also rejoice in having a French friend who is absolutely ruthless in pointing out my blunders. Tá mé an-bhuíoch as chuile cheartúchán.

finally,a true gaelic speaker.I once attended a class where the so called teacher taught gaelic with an american accent.

Horrors!

I second that!

Did you manage to learn anything or were you frozen in horror?

bhí sí reoite le heagla