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déiridh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 06:13 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

cad é sin, ' Neosfainn ' ?
ó t-amhrán
"Ar Éireann Ní Neosfainn Cé hÍ"

(I would not, even if I were to gain Ireland, reveal her name)

grma

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Lars
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 06:16 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'd write "neosainn"
It's a Munster form of "inseoinn" = I'd tell.

BTW: It should be "Éirinn" instead of "Éireann".
Ar Éirinn ní neos(f)ainn cé hí.

Lars

(Message edited by Lars on October 12, 2006)

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déiridh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

grma!
would that be a form of "inis?" (insíonn?) or am i going down the wrong road?

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Mac Léinn na Gaeilge (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 08:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I don't know if this helps, but Ó Dónaill's Foclóir Gaeigle-Bearla indicates:

neos(f)aidh, var. fut of INIS

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 08:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Neosfainn is an archaic form (close to the Old Irish one), other dialects have simplified and regularized it to d’inseoinn (C), and d’inseochainn (U).

Tír Chonaill abú!

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déiridh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 09:02 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

grmma, arís!
i've seen it as " n-Eósainn " as well....what's the story there??
buíochas!

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 04:05 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

http://www.irishtune.info/tune/2191/



"Ar Éireann ní neosfainn cé hí" is what it is sung as by Niall Toibín ó na Déise agus Joe Einniú ó Chonamara.

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 07:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

i've seen it as " n-Eósainn " as well....what's the story there??

It's just a mistake!


"Ar Éireann ní neosfainn cé hí"

It is "Ar Éirinn" (dative case) of course.

Tír Chonaill abú!

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 09:44 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sin ó thaobh gramadaí.

Ach ó tharla cainteoirí líofa gaeltachta ag canadh "Ar Éireann", caithfidh go bhfuil cúis éigin leis.

(Nioclás Toibín ba chirte dom a scríobh thuas)

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Dennis
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Ach ó tharla cainteoirí líofa gaeltachta ag canadh "Ar Éireann", caithfidh go bhfuil cúis éigin leis.

An bhfuil tú cinnte, a Aonghuis, gur "ar Éireann" a chuala tú? Feicim an leagan "ar Éirinn" minic go leor:

Tóibín (1928-1994) was the foremost singer to emerge from the Co. Waterford Gaeltacht, and the new release, culled from the archives of RTÉ and Raidió na Gaeltachta, contains many songs associated with him, and with which readers will be familiar, such as Na Connerys and Ar Éirinn Ní Neosfainn Cé Hí, both of which (and four others to be found here) featured on his great 1977 album on Gael-Linn (CEF 062)

Níl ach albam amháin le Joe Heaney agam, Say a Song, agus níl an t-amhrán sin air.

Rinne mé Google Fight idir an dá leagan anois díreach:

ar Éirinn ní neosfainn : 1,390

vs.

ar Éireann ní neosfainn : 81

Caminante no hay camino, se hace camino al andar.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 01:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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An bhfuil tú cinnte, a Aonghuis,



Níl!

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Aonghus
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 04:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Agus tar éis éisteacht leis arís; is dóigh liom go raibh mearbhall orm cheana.

Ar Éirinn ní dhéanfad arís é!

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déiridh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

cén albam Einniú an t-amhrán sin air (ar Éirinn...)?
(tá a fhios agam Tóibín (agus liam clancy))

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Aonghus
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:13 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Níl mé cinnte. Toradh google a bhí ann.

(Joe Heaney a thug an leathanach air)

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 09:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Chluinfeá ’n t-amhrán sin ar an albam "Pobalscoil Ghaoth Dobhair", albam a rinneadh fá choinne lá breithe na pobalscoile sin.

Tír Chonaill abú!



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