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Amethyst
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 06:55 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi,

I have been trying to learn Irish through the book and cassettes called Learning Irish, unfortunately I have been stumped on Lesson 10 of that book and really got myself confused. It started when the book decided to expand after the Tá verb. Now it just gets more and more confusing. Can someone please tell me what I can do to get things clarified in my mind?

Thank you
Amethyst

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James
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Post Number: 422
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 08:02 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

What specifically has you "stumped"? If you can give us a bit of an idea we can get you moving forward again. There's a fair bet that one or more of us had the same issue once-upon-a-time!

Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.

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Amethyst
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 04:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I started getting confused when the book added forms of the verb Tá. I understand present and past ok, but I get confused when the book gets into the habitual tenses and the conditional of Tá. Things get even worse when the IF Clauses start to show up. The problem is the books explanations leave a lot to be desired.

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Gaelige_iomas23
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 10:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá is evvvilll O_o

Person:'OMG! I see Canadians!' Me:'No duh, you ARE CANADIAN!' Person: ' Oh!'

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Bearnaigh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 08:12 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Irish uses some progressive tenses (I do be, I does be) and these can be extended to other tenses instead of an inflected verb

tá and bí are interrelated as the presetn tense has disappeared as such, mixed with the more progressive tensed tendant verb bí. Bí can be inflected to show bíonn (does be), bheadh (used to), bhíos (would), beidh (will) etc (tho mind that the terms used for the first 3 change as the 'actor' (me/her/it etc) are signalled).

What makes it more complex is that the present and past subjective (to my eyes) has collapsed into the conditional, enriching it. This makes negative and wishing statements perhaps more complex than they were in times past. I wont go into that tho till I can give a good account of it

Anyway, here is something else you could do:

One could use specific verbs that one inflects for person and tense, or more progressive ones using bí inflected for tense with seperate personal pronoun and verbal noun:

specific verbuse of bí + VN
pastchrúigh síbhí sí ag crú
presenttá sí ag crú
do becrúnn síbíonn sí ag crú
used tochrúdh síbhíonn sí ag crú
would chrúfadh síbheadh sí ag crú
will becrúfaidhbeidh sí ag crú

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Bearnaigh (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 03:52 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"tá and bí are interrelated as the presetn tense has disappeared as such, mixed with the more progressive tensed tendant verb bí. Bí can be inflected to show bíonn (does be), bheadh (used to), bhíos (would), beidh (will) etc (tho mind that the terms used for the first 3 change as the 'actor' (me/her/it etc) are signalled). "

I typed in error above.

Should be: bhíodh sé --> he used to be; bheadh sé --> he would be



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