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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 522 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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Dia dhaoibh a chairde mor. I've come back from Eire. I figured I'd write a bit about each place I stayed, just a small bit mind you as not to bore yourselves. I'll break it up into chunks so that it's not a huge running-on post and so people can comment in between if they'd like. NOTE: The following things that I write are strictly based on my opinions as formed by experience. They are not meant to offend or criticize anyone, except maybe the government but what else is new. I hope that noone takes a dislike to me or my sensabilities due to these observations. |
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Mac Léinn na Fáilte (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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Fáilte arís, A Riona! I look forward to your stories and glad to here you've back safe and sound. |
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Bearnaigh (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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Níl mé ábalta a fheiceáil do n(h)óta...Níl aon scéal anseo fós! |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 523 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:37 am: |
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DUBLIN We arrived in Dublin on Fri. morning of the 8th of Sept. We spent Fri. and Sat. doing the hop on and hop off tour, seeing the sights, listening to music at night and just looking around in general. I got to meet Aonghus on Sat. at Caifeuna, quite a nice restaraunt and he brought his sons with him. I had a nice time visiting with them all. Sleeping Don't go to the Day's Inn on Talbot Street. It's the worst place we slept for the highest price with an uncannily tiny room, no lobby and a dingy exterior. The best and the worst. BEST: Seeing all the things on the hop on hop off tour, everything is so old, the buildings are all older than my country's existance. The drivers are really fun to listen to because they tell you all everyting you pass and its done in an informative and easy-to-understand way. I liked St. Patrick's cathedral and GPO the best. The Italian Connection was a neat restaraunt right next to our hotel. Caifeuna was a nice place to eat as well, pretty much the only place I heard Irish here. WORST: There are no Irish people in Dublin, everyone was foreign. That really cut down on the enjoyability of the city for me as a visitor. Everything moves too fast. The women, mostly foreign, all get done up to go out at night so if you haven't any fancy clothes and you're a woman you look quite out of place. |
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Bearnaigh (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 01:13 pm: |
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"The women, mostly foreign, all get done up to go out at night" Ya, those foreign imports are pushing inflation up! |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 533 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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AN DAINGEAN We took the train from Dublin to Tralee and then a bus to An Daingean because the train doesn't go that far. I met these really sweet older people headed to a golf tournament in Kilarney. The husband had taken Irish at school until he had to drop out at age 13 to find work. He didn't remember all that much of it but he'd done well as a child and was proud of what he had retained over so long a time. He kept telling me I was nice and beautiful in Irish and telling me to figure out what he'd said. An Daingean was really fun. We looked at the shops, listened to music at night and went on this great tour with the owner of our B and B. Sleeping Kirrary was the name of our B and B. It turns out that Ilene told me that Roman had stayed there a few weeks before me, how funny isn't it. She was so very sweet to everyone and always would say things in Irish to me and tell me what they meant and try my best to please her with the little Irish I have. Her house is adorable with a nice yard and an old fashioned feel to it. I'd tell anyone going to An Daingean to stay there. Best and Worst BEST: the tour that Ilene's husband Tim runs which takes you around the penninsula and shows you Slea Head with the Blaskets in the distance, the Gaeltacht villages at a driving glance and some archeological sights. The best place he took us to was the oritory. I heard Irish while in An Daingean and on the tour of the penninsula and that was really great. I really enjoyed using the little bits that I have and hearing people respond to me in kind. WORST: There are stray dogs all over the place, confounded. I'm quite afraid of dogs so this was disconcerting to me. Noone living there seemed to mind them even though they'd eat out of garbage cans next to bakeries etc. That would be the thing to keep me from moving there. We ate at this resturaunt called Out Of The Blue which we thought would be grand but it was disappointing. The people who ran it were not locals and were snobbish and rather rude to us and the food was not desirable to us. |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 145 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:08 am: |
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Aw, An Daingean sounds wonderful Riona! I've heard though that as far as Gaeltacht areas go, it's certainly not one of the best places to hear/learn Irish, as the local schools even are entirely taught through English. Can you tell me about the Irish you heard? Did many people seem to speak in there, with you addressing them and the like? Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 534 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 01:47 am: |
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Indeed people would respond to my GRMAs and so forth. Not everyone mind you, but some did. In general, I noticed that some people would be cordial but no more than that until I mentioned that I was learning Irish or said something to them in it. Then they'd very much open up to me and we would make friends. It was amazing to see the difference. So in Dingle and especially Inis Mor I really felt happy when I used the little bits that I have and I saw that the people did too. My dad thought it was amazing how the people would noticably open up. And those who didn't unfearl their great kindness at least seemed glad to hear me, even though I probably didn't sound perfect by any means. A few whom I'd thank or say slan to didn't respond, whether they just didn't hear me or purposfully didn't reply is unknown to me. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 3755 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 06:06 am: |
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quote:as the local schools even are entirely taught through English That is not accurate! Scoileanna lán ghaeilge iad go fóill. http://www.cbs-daingean.com/index.html Níl suíomh ag Mean scoil na Toirbhirte, agus is scoil lán gaelach é sin freisin. (Message edited by aonghus on September 20, 2006) |
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Suaimhneas
Member Username: Suaimhneas
Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 06:47 am: |
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Riona Delighted to read your take on An Daingean, as I live near Slea Head for much of the time. You are spot on about "Out of the Blue". Although they sell excellent sea food, I have found the staff to be brusque and rude of late. It's a pity you didn't get to the Pier Restaurant out on the Slea Head drive near An Fheothanch. Here the fear a'ti greets customers automatically as Gaeilge. I was there a couple of weeks ago and the majority of customers (all locals to judge by their fluency) and the staff spoke only Gaeilge throughout the evening My own experience mirrors yours in that outsiders will almost always be addressed in English by the Gaeilgeoiri, but they will usually respond encoragingly as Gaeilge to the cúpla focail. Aindreas has been misinformed on the schools issue, as pointed out by Aonghus above, and there is also a girls boarding school in An Daingean called Colaiste Ide (Scoil lán ghaeilge freisin). The area west of An Daingean, particularly, is a strong Gaeltacht. The level of Gaeilge spoken here is probably more noticeable outside the main tourist season |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 3760 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 07:48 am: |
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Ormsa an locht faoi OOTB. Mhol mé dóibh é maidir le hiasc a ithe, cé nach raibh mé ann riamh. (Ar an méar fhada againn i gconaí; ní maith leis na gasúr bia mara). Conas tá an bia sa tSeana Ché? |
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Suaimhneas
Member Username: Suaimhneas
Post Number: 38 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 08:51 am: |
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A Aonghuis Ta an bia go go hiontach san Sean Che. Ta se an dheacair tabla a chur in airithe faoi fhogra fiorgearr. Tagann daoine amach o Tra Li go dti an Sena Che |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 146 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 09:36 am: |
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Oh, thank you for correcting me Aonghus! I'm very glad to hear that I'm wrong here. Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 199 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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It was a bit disconcerting to hear you say you didn't like Dublin because there are supposedly nothing but foreigners here..we are not excepted from global trends like immigration etc..actually it is a good thing mostly as it shows our economy is doing well...I have heard a few Americans tourists in Dublin say to Irish people 'too many foreigners is bad dont follow our example'..disappointing.. It's a pity for me that Irish people don't show a bit more pride in their own culture so that those people coming in can see it's importance and try to pick it up i.e. Irish!! Foreigners will only try to learn it if they see some enthusiasm by Irish people for the langauge! I amazed by any Polish person for example wanting to learn Irish after the negative things they would hear about it..and read about it considering Myers etc seem to be given mainstream media outlet for their extremist and West Brit opinions! |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 3763 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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Lár na cathrach a bhí i gceist aici, go hairithe an "Pholainneacht" thart ar sráid Talbot. Tá siopa eachtranach gach 40 m sa cheantar airithe sin. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 536 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 01:51 pm: |
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GALWAY (Salthil to be more specific since that is whare my B and B was) We actually ended up staying here 3 nights, 2 in a row and 1 more when we came back from Clifden early due to the lack of morning busses from there on Sundays. We didn't get to see that much of the city itself because we stayed in in Salthill and our only full day there was spent on a really fun Conamara tour with Lally's. The city seems nice enough, I wish we could have seen a bit more of it. Salthill was fine and I put my feet in the bay there. It makes me ratiher irritated that I never got a chance to go swimming in the sea even though the weather was pretty nice all through our journey. We didn't listen to any live music here because my dad and I made a compromise about staying in so he could go to bed early. He did not do well with the everything-fun-starts-at-9;30 atmosphere in Ireland. Sleeping Trieste was a great B and B. I e-mailed a bit with Mary before hand so I was excited to meet her. Our initial meeting wasn't what I thought it would be, probably owing to the fact that herself and her son were about to transfer her fish into a bigger tank, a tense experience for fish owners I'm sure. But when we came back later she was soooooooo nice and we spent each evening visiting and enjoying each other's company. She liked speaking Irish a bit to me and helping me figure it out. She was so helpful with setting up our tours and transport etc, calling ahead and arranging for the busses to pick us up down the road so we didn't have to go into Galway. Best and Worst: BEST: The Lally's tour of Conamara was really enjoyable. We had a driver who liked to talk and he brought his Irish-speaking friend over to visit with me just before we left Kylemore Abby. The afore mention destination was nice and we didn't have enough time to see whole thing. We also went to Leenain and An Spideal. Our B and B owner Mary was so talkative and helpful. She even kept some of our luggage so we didn't have to take it all with us to Inis Mor and Clifden. WORST: There was a restaurant called the Gallion that was not very good at all located in Salthill. Other than that I can't think of much that was terribly dissatisfactory here. |
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Bethrua
Member Username: Bethrua
Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 09:43 pm: |
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I am so sad that you didn't have the best time of your life in Galway--I always do. I lived in An Spideal a couple of years ago, so I am partial to the area, but I adore Co. Galway. I plan to move to Galway soon for school, and chose it because it is the most beautiful area in Ireland and the locals are the greatest. I also have friends all around the county and it is my second home. Make sure that your next trip to Galway is actually spent in Galway--Salthill is (at most) a 15 minute walk from the city center, so I don't really know why you didn't go into the city. A taxi is cheap also if you and your dad would have preferred that. I alway stay along the promenade in Salthill and just walk to the city center each morning and night (after the pubs)--the bay walk is a great way to start your morning (and a good way to sober up) and one of the most beautiful ways to spend your time in the West. |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 147 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:20 pm: |
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Riona, I'm surprised that you weren't as thrilled with Galway as so many seem to be here (like Bethrua!). I've heard many wonderful things about the city. I've been keenly looking into NUIG for myself as well; lots of people tell me they have an oustanding Irish program, and that it's just a magnificent location. I'm not sure how you struck up conversation when it came to Irish, but sounded like people were really eager and happy to share whatever they had with you. I'm so glad for that! Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 539 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 12:33 am: |
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I didn't in any way mean that Galway was unsatisfactory. I liked it fine, we just weren't in the city center much, due to our fun Conamara tour taking up the only full day we had there. My dad's and my agreement was to stay in some nights so that is why we didn't go out to the pubs there. I didn't get to experience the city as much as I would have liked, that's the all of it, no negativity intended so there is no need to worry over it. Beir bua agus beannacht. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 540 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 01:00 am: |
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INIS MOR The ferry ride was full of swaying and shifting under a clear sky. When we got to the island we took the rather lengthy walk to our B and B and deposited our luggage. Along with eating and looking in shops, we took a minibus tour to see Dun Aengus and the Seven Churches. The latter was interesting because it has been a cemitary for the longest time but the graves that one sees are the newest with fancy markers. After we had left I found out that Maggie Durrain from Man Of Aran was burried there, I was perturbed that I hadn't seen her grave. Dun Aengus was really exciting. I hung over the cliff, while I laid on my stomach and looked over. It was amazing and such grand weather too. The island was more beautiful than I thought it would be, covered with green life against the blue sea. We only stayed the one night and left early in the next morning, acompanied by a girl of the island who was skipping school to visit her brother in Galway. WE got on grandly and I enjoyed visiting with her. Sleeping An Crugan is a bit of a walk from the pier, pleasant without luggage but irritating with it. The woman and her family lived in a locked section of the building, meaning we didn't see them much, more is the pitty. For the brief moment we saw her she was cordial enough, until she found out I want to learn Irish and then she was kinder, this being a common situation wharever we went in the Gaeltacht. Best and Worst BEST: The Irish speaking people were the best. They'd be cordial until you spoke in Irish to them and then they'd unfearl their leaves as it were and open up. We met a particular woman called Sarah at the shop near Dun Aengus who was notably poignant to look on, enbodying so much of the lost past. She taught me a beautiful word which I hadn't the chance to write down and which noone else seems to know. I hope it doesn't die with her as time obscures the old things. WORST: Ragus didn't come to the island this year, confounded, I'd looked so forward to seeing it. I wanted to by one of those traditional red skirts that the women used to wear long ago, but noone sold them and noone knew whare I could find one, they were gone. I had secretly entertained the idea of convincing some man to take me out in his currach, but none were there. The Aran Fisherman was a rather dissatisfactory resturaunt, despite its fame. Maybe I shouldn't end on the worst things because it seems to give the wrong impression of what I say :) |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 200 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 04:54 am: |
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Tá aithne agam ar an cheantar sin a Aonghuis..Is rud maith cheapaim go raibh doaine mar na Polainnaigh anseo! It is up to the Irish to show Irish culture to the foreigners here otherwise they will never know it..many seem to know Premiership football and Cornation St but Gaeilge and traditional music no..is mór an trua..cuir sé náir orm mar Eireannach nach bhfuil mórán suim againn i nár cúltúr fhéin.. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 3765 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 06:35 am: |
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Níl deacracht ar bith agam le Pólainnaigh ná len iad a bheith anseo. (Tá mo dearthair pósta ar bean ón bPolainn). Ach ní chonaíonn éireannaigh i lár BhÁC. Mar sin, ní bhualadh tú leo. Sin mar a bhíonn cathracha. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 541 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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CLIFDEN It turned out that it was the beginning of arts week in Clifden which meant a little bit of trad at an early hour for us to listen to and the Chieftains being in town ... the next night when I couldn't be there because of the bus schedule. That was my only complaint with Bus Eireann. We did a lot of looking around at shops and we tried to find some castle ruins up the sky road which we were told could be found just a half mile out of town, ha ha, try 2, so my dad didn't want to walk all the way. We got to listen to some nice music late that night which was enjoyable. Sleeping Baymount House is pretty on the exterior and the rooms are spacious inside, except for these teeny tiny showers, which are the smallest I've ever seen and rather inconvenient due to this fact. It was hard to figure out exactly who ran the house, there was apparently a man, his wife, and his mother and some helpers. I think that they might have lied on Board Failte when they said they could speak Irish because when I told the old woman about how I wanted to learn it and marry someone who spoke it she had a negative attitude about the whole thing it seemed to me. She was just negative all around really, insisting in an authoritative way that I shouldn't move to Ireland and get married until I was established educationally and financially, not a bad thing to say but she was so hard edged about it. Then she proceeded to go off on American politics, a no-no for sure and we tried hastily to find an excuse to leave for dinner. I don't recommend this establishment because of herself Best and Worst BEST: having a bit of music in the afternoon. And there was this little fruit and vegetable shop which had grand strawberries. WORST: That woman, she just was so negative. . |
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Bearnaigh (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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" think that they might have lied on Board Failte " ah, well, irish never made a man a bob, or so they said... |
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Taidhgín
Member Username: Taidhgín
Post Number: 56 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 05:39 am: |
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Fáilte romhat ar ais, a Ríona. Thanks for your very vivid account of your holidays. I'm glad people were willing to speak to you in Irish. The lady in Clifden may have been indicative of an earlier attitude to the language which may be lessening due to TG4 and Raidio na Gaeltachta -- and education. Regarding "Irish never made a man a bob", a Bhearnaigh, it does now. Think of all the teachers, broadcasters, translators, lawyers, and people working in and outside the Gaeltacht who use Irish as part of their job. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 545 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 12:10 am: |
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LIMERICK Not a whole lots to say here. Right before we left Galway for Limerick on Sun. I got to meet Seosamh, the sweet thing drove 90 miles to see me, sure and I'd not have asked him if I'd known how far away Litram was. We had a nice visit and I enjoyed his company. Limerick was not very exciting. We spent the late afternoon visiting Bunratty castle and the folk park. The castle was small but tall, interesting and dangerous with those narrow windy staircases, ingredients for a lawsuit in Meiricea for sure. The folk park was neat because I got to go in replica houses with thatch roofs and turf burning in the fire, I liked the smell, my dad didn't. Went back ate went to bed went to Shannon and went back to the states. Sleeping I like Jurry's Inn, really nice for a decent price. The only problems were that the shower knob was well-nye impossible to turn off and that the television didn't have TG4. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 550 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 09:57 pm: |
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FINAL THOUGHTS My favorite part of the journey was using little bits of Irish with people and watching them open up to me. It was amazing to see and very encouraging since I've heard tell of the opposite happening. It happened a couple of times that people would be cordial and then I would say go raibh maith agat to them for some kindness and they would be genuinely pleased with me and they would become kinder to me then. I'm prouder of my little bits of Irish than of many things that I can do better. I discovered that I'm a very greedy woman. Greedy to hear more more more more and more Irish. I'd hear local people talking English to each other in An Daingean or on Inis Mor and I'd think how I wanted to hear them speak Irish instead. That was what I wanted. I was greatful to the 2 B and B hosts who would speak to me in Irish, putting up with my ignorant attempts at figuring it out. Hearing people speak to each other as Gaeilge was one of the most beautiful things on the island to be sure. I think going has made me braver. I think I've got more courage in me than before. The all of you were right, noone minded my accent and they all liked me, just as you said they would. GRMA for the kindness and encouragement that you all give me, I appreciate it very much. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 204 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 06:08 am: |
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''Then she proceeded to go off on American politics, a no-no for sure and we tried hastily to find an excuse to leave for dinner. I don't recommend this establishment because of herself '' Is it such a no-no to discuss politics in the US or with Americans these days?? Sad that people cant discuss these things these days..Irish people arent afraid of criticism of their country! We have some dodgy characters in politics as well.. and some dodgy policies!!! |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 76 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 11:49 am: |
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A Dhiarmo, In my opinion, it is usually not a good idea to talk about politics or religion with people in the U.S. unless you personally know them to be intelligent and open-minded. It has become apparent to me through the years, that MOST people's political and religious opinions are not formed by rational reasoning, but rather by the opinions of their parents and/or the corporate controlled mass media. I personally can think of lots of things that the government is doing wrong as well as ways to improve how we are being governed but I don't think I can say anything about it here; though I greatly dislike self-censorship, I'm pretty sure that this forum is not the place for any of my philosophical or political "pearls of wisdom". (Message edited by wee_falorie_man on September 26, 2006) |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 152 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 07:30 pm: |
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Well, I always thought it was a bit rude to start ranting on anything to strangers, especially if the strangers are your customers. Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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(Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 07:32 pm: |
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Ah, ta sky road go halainn san la. Good place to hang out too at night. Riona, were you anyway near Ros a Mhil (no fadas here at school)? There is this place called "the battery", which is like this turret looking thing you'd see at castles. its pretty sweet, you can climb up into it by way of a rope hangin off the side. |
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Harrison
Member Username: Harrison
Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 07:34 pm: |
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oh, an message sin roimh an ceann seo ata liomsa. forgot to login. |
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Lucy (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 07:37 pm: |
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A Dhiarmo - The landlady seemed to have a negative attitude about everything. Riona's hopes to marry and live in Ireland, etc. There is a difference between a political discussion and a harangue about someone's government. And since the "lady" is in the tourist business she'd be better off trying to please her guests rather than giving her unasked for opinions. Especially if they're hungry and trying to get out to eat. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 553 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 08:42 pm: |
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GRMA a Lucy. If you ever own a B and B I shall make it a point to stay with you. You explained well what I meant but apparently failed to communicate affectively enough. I have no problem discussing politics and I enjoy discussing religeon, thought I'd add that in for WFM. It just seemed odd that someone in the tourist business who wants to keep customers coming back would so vehimently enter the political zone. Even so we were as cordial as possible. I never said there wasn't anything wrong with my government by the way. It just didn't seem the place or situation in which to go into it.. A Harrison, I was only there to get on the ferry to Inis Mor and to come back. That place you mention sounds really fun, too bad you can't take me there and show it to me. We were just walking on the Sky Road a bit above Clifden. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 210 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |
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Whe I went to Scotland I noticed the same thing, people appreciate your trying to learn their language, even if they don't speak it them selves. Ceartaígí mo chuid Ghaeilge, le bhur dtoil!
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