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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 03:24 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello,

I am a beginner and have recently bought a phrase book that has me perplexed. While my Foclóir Póca has one pronunciation for slender "s" the phrase book seems to provide another pronunication for certain words that seem to require the slender "s" sound of sh. i.e.

Scread,
FP: s'k'rad
Phrase book: scread.

Scéal
FP s'k'e:l
Phrase book: skeyl

Sciob
FP: s'k'ib
Phrase book, skib

Speal also has no "sh" sound I notice in FP and phrase book, etc etc

I assume FP is right. Is the phrase book wrong or are their rules or dialects that alter the slender "s" (sh)in certain words to the standard "S"?
Hope I am making sense.
Any help greatly appreciated.

Go raibh maith agaibh

Patrick

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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 05:34 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

s is broad before bilabials such as f, m, p (slender), perhaps due to the constraint on speaking slender s and then making the lips wide

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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 03:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"s" is sometimes heard instead of "sh" in the words beginning with sc in Connemara. I'm not sure, but methinks the pronunciation is rather obsolete.

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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 09:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá mé ag éisteacht le RTÉ anois. Tá bean as Inis Mór, Árainn, ag rá "s" i leaba "sh" i gcónaí: scioptha "skjupee", scéal "skayl" is mar sin de.

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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Tá bean as Inis Mór, Árainn, ag rá "s" i leaba "sh" i gcónaí: scioptha "skjupee", scéal "skayl" is mar sin de.



Bhí an grúpa sc anseo i gceist agam, cinnte.

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Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 04:16 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

go raibh maith agat.



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