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I've noticed that many contributors use the term "gaolainn". It's a term I never came across before logging on to daltai.

e.g."Bhí Gaolainn ag bean a'phoist chomh maith." from Aonghus's account of his recent sojurn. What happened to "Gaeilge"?

Just curious

it's a rarer form used in some dialects, and i believe it's older than gaeilge, but I could be wrong on that.

if you have the pimsleur tapes, you'll note that they use gaolainn instead of gaeilge.

I think it's the form used in the Munster dialect.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gaolainn

Yup, Wikipedia is right on that one.
I was taught to use "Gaolainne" in my on-line Irish class (and yes the teacher speaks Munster Irish).

"Gaolainn" indeed does mean the Irish language in the Munster dialect. Elsewhere, it is used to refer to the Munster dialect.

Agus is mar sin a usáid mé é.

Go raibh maith agaibh. An bfhuil téarmai áitiúla sna Gaeltachtai eile?

The following sentence would be thought of as being written in slang in English:

James 'n' Philip were playin' in the garden.

I see that many people do likewise in Irish, e.g.

Bhí Gaolainn ag bean a'phoist chomh maith.

How accepted are these written contractions? Is it not thought of as slang-writing?

I would not think of it as slang writing. There are many contractions that are regularly used in English.. Jack O'Lantern, will o' the wisp, five o'clock

Does the same not hold for fear a'ti.. bean a'phoist?

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An bfhuil téarmai áitiúla sna Gaeltachtai eile?

Tá, ach níl siad ar an mbealach céanna. Ní úsáidfí iad taobh amuigh den áit chun canúint na háite a chur in iúl, mar úsáidtear "Gaoluinn".

Deirtear "Gaeilic" nó "Gaeilg" ag cainteoirí Uladh. Ach dá gcloisfeadh mise (bean nach bhfuil Gaeilge Chúige Uladh agam) "Gaeilic" á rá, ní smaoineoinn gurbh í canúint Uladh a bhí i gceist, ach focal Uladh don teanga iomlán.

Is é "Gaeilge" focal Chonamara don teanga, ach ní chiallaíonn sé canúint Chonamara amháin (go háirithe ós rud é go úsáideann an Caighdeán é freisin.) Dá mbeinn ag iarraidh canúint Chonamara a chur in iúl, déarfainn "Gaeilge Chonamara."

Abigail

(an-fháilte roimh cheartúcháin, mar is iondúil!)

A Abigail ,
Ba mhaith liom lasail a chur sa bharrach.

"An Ghaeilge" is ainm na teanga go hoifigiúil. Ach roimh 1961, "An Ghaeilg" a bhí uirthi

"lasail"?

Dar ndóigh is "lasair sa bharrach" é.

Muscail mé, dhuine éigin.

Gaelainn i gCiarraí (a fhuaimníthear "Gaelaing" in Iarthar Chorcaí agus sa Rinn)
Gaeilge nó Gaeigle i gConamara
Gaeilg (a fhuaimníthear "Gaeilic") in Ultaibh.

Mo bharúil nach ceart "Gaelainn" nó "Gaolainn" a ráidht nuair is mian leat "Gaeilge na Mumhan" a ráidht is tú ’labhairt canúna eile. B’ionann sin agus "I speak Deutsch, I speak français, I speak nihongo" a ráidht i mBéarla. Sin an t-ainm a bheireas an teangaidh uirthi féin a úsáid in abairt atá i dteangaidh eile. Ach ní gá sin a dhéanamh nuair atá ainm aige’n teangaidh sin sa Ghaeilg, ins a’ chás sin.

I Mumhain, deirtear "Gaelainn na Mumhan, Gaelainn Chonamara, Gaelainn Uladh" siocair gurb é "Gaelainn" ainm na teangtha sa chanúint.

I gConamara, deirtear "Gaeilge/Gaeigle na Mumhan... srl

In Ultaibh, deirtear "Gaeilg na Mumhan, Gaeilg Chonamara, Gaeilg Uladh".

quote:

Mo bharúil nach ceart "Gaelainn" nó "Gaolainn" a ráidht nuair is mian leat "Gaeilge na Mumhan" a ráidht is tú ’labhairt canúna eile

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Ach is nós sách fairsing i measc Gaeilgeoirí na hÉireann é.

What's the etymology of "gaelainn", esp. of the suffix "-inn", of course?
Is it Norman-french influence (like normand, allemand (Irish -nd > -nn) or italien, parisien)?

Lars

Ach is nós sách fairsing i measc Gaeilgeoirí na hÉireann é.

Ar an ábhar gur nós fairsing i measc Gaeilgeoirí na hÉireann droch-Ghaeilg a labhairt fosta (go háiríd taobh amuigh don Ghaeltacht)...

Would you say "labhraímid Deutsch sa bhaile, und Gaeilge auch" (except for joking) ? B’aistíoch sin! Sin an fhadhb cheannann chéarna.

Bíodh agat.

As I understand it, all three modern pronounciations come from /ge:l'@g'/ ("Gaedhilg" - originally the dative of Gaedhealg).
Over time, speakers in the three regions have modified the final slender G in different ways:
In Ulster & north Connacht the /g'/ became devoiced as it has in other words eg. reilig /rel'@k'/.
In south Connacht /@/ was added to the end of the word as in oifig /ef'@g'@/ (it's NOT an example of the genitive replacing the nominative).
In Munster the final /g'/ became /ng'/. I can't think of any other examples of this change, perhaps someone else can, but it does bring to mind the change of final /ng/ to /g/ or /k/ as found in "Tarraic" (Tarraing).

If I'm mistaken anywhere I'd appreciate any corrections.

(it's NOT an example of the genitive replacing the nominative).

cá bhfios duit?

"(it's NOT an example of the genitive replacing the nominative).

cá bhfios duit?"


'Córas Fuaimeanna na Gaeilge' pg. 46 - 'I gConamara, tá go leor focla de phatrún B-2 a gcuirtear guta breise leo sa tslí nach mbíonn ann ach foirm 1. agus 5. Cuir i gcáis béice, Gaeilge, socraide, míorúilte, oifige (cuid acu roghnach).'

Léigh mé i leabhar eile gurb í foirm an ghinidigh a bhí ann... mar sin, cé aige a bhfuil an ceart?