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Amethyst
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Username: Amethyst

Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 06:05 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello,

Can you please help me with the following:

I want to say:

Well, the land is wonderful.
Bhoil, an tír go hiontach.

Is this right?

I am doing the exercises from Nancy Stenson's workbook which are based on Learning Irish, She cnfused me on a couple of things.

Here are two sentences which I am supposed to make into one:

Tá Gaeltacht ann. Tá sé go deas.

My answer: Tá Gaeltacht dheas ann.
Her answer: Tá Gaeltacht deas ann.

Isn't Gaeltacht feminine? Shouldn't deas be lenited?

Tá tír ann. Tá sé go hálainn.

My answer: Tá tír hálainn ann.
Her answer: Tá tír álainn ann.

Isn't tír feminine? Shouldn't álainn be lenited?

Tá áit ann. Tá sé go haoibhinn.

My answer: Tá áit haoibhinn ann.
Her answer: Tá áit aoibhinn ann.

Isn't áit feminine? Shouldn't aoibhinn be lenited?

Thank you
Amethyst

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Username: Fear_na_mbróg

Post Number: 1173
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 08:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

My answer: Tá Gaeltacht dheas ann.
Her answer: Tá Gaeltacht deas ann.

Bit of a technicality here I think. Ever hear of the "dots after dentals" rule? I don't think it should apply here, because "deas" is an adjective.

bean dheas = a nice woman

gaeltacht dheas = a nice gaeltacht
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My answer: Tá tír hálainn ann.
Her answer: Tá tír álainn ann

The placement of a "h" before a vowel is not lenition. The lenition of "álainn" yields "álainn":

fear álainn
bean álainn

Likwise with your "aoibhinn" example.

Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
Ceartaigh rud ar bith atá mícheart -- úsáid phrásaí go háirithe.

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William
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Username: William

Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 02:50 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think the problem might center around whether the adjective is an attributive adjective (one that directly modifies a noun) or a predicate adjective (it's "separated" from the noun and is found in the predicate of the sentence). Attributive adjectives are aspirated in the right condtions while predicate adjectives are not (though there are situations where this happens to a predcate adjective).

Quite frankly, I am a bit confused as to whether "deas" is an attributive or a predicate adjective in the example you gave.

"Tá an ghealach fuar"--"fuar" is a predicate adjective, so it's not aspirated. Should "go" have been used in the combined form your sentence to mark it as predicate adjective? I don't know.

Tá Gaeltacht go deas ann. ???

I think she probably meant both "deas" and "ann" to be parts of the predicate. That would explain the non-aspiration of "deas". But I am not sure.

The h- prefix for adjecitves is used in some specific cases with only one of them being demonstrated in your examples. Notice that the h- prefix was preceded by "go".

prefix h- is used:

After "a" in counting--a haon

After chomh, go and le.

After the article "na" in the Genitive Singular Feminine and Common Plural: "báisteach na haon oíche amháin sin" (that one night's rain) "beir leat na hocht gcinn" (bring the eight of them).

I am just attempting to follow The Christian Bros as I read it. May those more knowledgeable modify me.

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Pangur_dubh
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:51 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá tír ann. Tá SÍ go hálainn.

'Tír', is a feminine noun, so a feminine pronoun from a strictly grammatical point of view.

Much the same with feminine noun 'áit' - Tá SÍ....

No doubt, 'sé' would be understood. Still, it's as well to be aware of the grammatical niceties. :-)



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