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Odwyer
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 05:24 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Here's the deal:

My grandfather's grandfather was born on Irish soil and moved to Australia during the famine. So could my grandfather could apply and get Irish citizenship, even if he lives in New York and won't be going to Ireland? And, if he does get a citizenship, then that means I have an Irish grandfather, so would I be able to get citizenship too? Yeah, it's a very shaky claim, but do I have something here?

GRMA, from an O'Dwyer who wants to be Irish

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Antaine
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 09:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

he could apply, but you could not. you don't need to have an irish citizen grandfather, you need to have a grandfather born on irish soil.

sorry

i tried to go that route myself...my mother's grandfather...

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Odwyer
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 09:50 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Awwwww... well thanks. You saved me alot of trouble!

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Odwyer,

Sabes muy bien el español, lo supe por tu "profile". Yo pasé dos años tratando de vivir en Cuba. (Es demasiado político mencionar aquel país?) pero no tuve éxito. It was a learning experience for me as a disgruntled American. In this case it made little sense for me to benefit from Cuba's free health care, education etc. when I should be demanding these things from my own goverment. But that is just a line I give myself when I'm feeling down. The truth is, I want to live overseas, almost anywhere but here. The only option open to me would be Israel (gag me); all Jews are guarenteed a spot. You could get a student visa to Ireland and then get married. My newest hopes are that my boyfriend who is brilliant, will land something in Ireland and I can tag along then run away to Crete to be a Goddess worshipper. He's "Wee falorie man" and he really has a knack for the Gaelic!

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Odwyer
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:16 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yeah I've always wanted to live in Ireland. Looks like the only option I have is either get married or become a nun if I want to go.

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James
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 11:19 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

You're welcome, Shoshana.

Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:03 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Or you can marry an Irish citizen.

Like I intend to do!!! :-)

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An Dub (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 03:27 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Norwegians can live and work in Ireland without work permits ach b'fhéidir go raibh an t-eolas agat cheana féin!

ODwyer, do you have other Eutopean Union ancestry - if you get any EU passport you can live in Ireland

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 07:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I know, An Dub. And it's wonderful!
Look out for a new Viking invasion!
But I do want an Irish husband. :-)

(Message edited by norwegiandame on June 26, 2006)

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Odwyer
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 09:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Well, both my grandparents and an uncle were born and raised in jolly old England. Does that mean I could live in Ireland?!?!?!

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Riona
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:54 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Oh!

Sure and its a small world, Shashana a chara, you go with WeeFalleryMan, that is so neat that people 'round here know each other in real life. I wish I knew some of you in real life. And Shashana, I'd not suggest running off from WeeFalleryMan to move to Greece, he might decide that you're too much of a liability so he'll be wary of taking you. I'm just teasing you, I'm sure he thinks its funny.

And O'Dwyer, you're clearly not the only one around here who wants to be Irish. At least you've got some herritage to claim. I have nothing but my desire.

Beir bua agus beannacht.

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Odwyer
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 07:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Oh and I was born in Spain.

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Mac Léinn Cathróireachta (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A O'Dwyer a chara,

In regard to pursuing routes to EU citizenship, I would suggest that you contact the respective U.K and Spanish embassies here in the U.S. to determine if you can obtain citizenship for those countries. You can probably just google for the embassies and locate the ones that service your area of the U.S.

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An Dub (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:32 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

ODwyer,

the UK has different rules for Commonwealth (eg Australia) and non-Commnonwealth countries (eg the United States). It may be useful to have Australian citizenship.

There is always the French Foreign Legion - after 5 years I think you can become a French citizen?

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Odwyer
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 03:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

My other grandfather and my dad were born in Australia. What does that mean?

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James
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:39 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Having worked with "The Legion" I really don't recommend it as a means of gaining EU citizenship!! It's a hard, hard, hard life....far more demanding than our X-Box generation is capable of handling.

(Message edited by James on June 27, 2006)

Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.

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Odwyer
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 09:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I don't even own an x-box, or a cell phone for that matter.

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Antaine
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 09:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

James -

oh, do tell...

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Shoshana (Unregistered Guest)
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A Riona,

How nice of you to call me "a chara". Sometimes I think that I am failing at Gaelic and other times I pat myself on the back for just knowing the little words that I'd never heard of just a couple of months ago. Wee-falorie-man probably does laugh when I talk about Greece, considering that I call him about once an hour from work (and e-mail him in between). I won't be leaving his side anytime soon.

Now for the important stuff. IS THE FOREIGN LEGION REAL or just something that people say? And was James really in it?

Third point. I want to be Italian so I can see where you're all coming from but think how racist and weird it can sound when "white" people in the U.S. want to be indian or black "so bad" and advertise anything they can find in their ancestry that's not "white". I can't stand being Jewish when Israel does everything that I hate, but all this wanting to be something else isn't the solution. Somehow we have to come to terms with who we are. I don't know why, but I can tell that it is very important.

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Riona
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:41 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Shashana a chara, sure and how do you like that, your name is already lenited.

Being Jewish is cool. As to yourself and WeeFalleryMan, love is a beautiful thing.

And as to trying to be something you're not, I can't condemn it because that is how it is for me, that is what I happen to want. I can't criticize others for wanting to be Indian or Italian or Chinese or what have you because I want to be Irish, very much, and I don't really even have a bit of herritage to claim, explain that one. People might think me a fool but that is their own business because I'm just speaking honestly here.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Pangur_dubh
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 05:19 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Shalom Shoshanna - Baruch haBa imanu!

Yes the Foreign Legion IS very real. They have a place not so far away from here, in Castelnaudary. You can see it quite well from the train. Knock on the gate and they drag you in..... But it's true, life there is very hard, and the aim is to break you down and reshape you in the mould of the Legion. Food is just enough to keep you going, and they do keep you going, and going - route marches are the least of it. When you have finally broken, you are made into a creature of the Legion. I have seen the legionaires out and about and they certainly cut a fine figure, but I feel that the whole process is somewhat dehumanising........

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>> Somehow we have to come to terms with who we are. I don't know why, but I can tell that it is very important.

That's very true. It is very important. A lot of people amble through their lives, working, loving, ageing and never notice the element of thought that should be applied to the question 'who or what am I'? Some may even shun the question.

'Bíonn dhá thaobh ar gach scéal agus seacht leagan ar amhrán' or something like that (: there are 2 sides to every matter and seven ways to render a song).

Two sides to the story are the fact that one has a background and then you apply your own distinct personality to that:
>> Ríona a dúirt: And as to trying to be something you're not, I can't condemn it because that is how it is for me, that is what I happen to want.

-- Each and everyone has something distinct to contribute to culture, to the people, to all people. Almost like the 'don't ask what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country' statement with culture (or people/language) in place of country.

By giving one receives. An té is mó a bhronnas, is é is mó a chruinníos - The one who gives most, gets most.

On your own Jewish background Shoshana, I can say from the Irish experience that people from all backgrounds have interpreted their backgrounds in as many ways as are imaginable. When you think about it, most of the Irish people in the world nowadays carry a form of their forebear's surname which may have no connection, or indeed, an opposite meaning to what was intended in the original. People buy their houses, marry and give birth, calling themselves and their offspring: Badger, Rabbitte, Fox, and other such common nouns to which they have no connection other than slavery. Such is the norm. Don't feel estranged from your background. It is as you've recognised, 'very important'.
Tá tú múscailte - you're awake, and that's important.

Pangur's last sentence is very acute and not unrelated.

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Autumnmusic
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:24 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Not to change the subject, but on the topic of Irish citizenship--

I know the US has a policy where if you live there for a certain amount of years (I think it's seven) and pass the citiznship test, you become a citizen of the US.

Does Ireland have anything similar?

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James
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yes...the "Legion" is very, very, very real! I worked with them in East Africa off and on for 9 months. I was not in the Legion...sorry if I gave that impression...I simply worked with and near them for a period of time. We sent some of our people to their desert survival course and, by all accounts, it was brutal.

Pangur Dubh is correct...they will break you down until you cease to identify yourself as an American, a Jew, a Spaniard, an Irishman..whatever...they want the recruit to identify as a Legionnaire first and last above all else. After 6 years in the Legion you are granted French citizenship. After 20 years in the Legion you are eligible for pension. However, the Legion is almost always posted in the least hospitable places on the planet!!

Now..for all of this "I hate being X because of Y"...

Accept who you are and what your heritage offers you. It's OK to be at odds with certain political aspects of your "selfness"...American foreign policy, Jewish treatment of the Palestinians, English treatment of otherwise decent food (ok..that last one was an attempt at humor). But, be proud of the heritage that life (and your ancestors) have offered you. Embrace it.

Hell, that's why most of us are here on this site, isn't it?

Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.

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Head_the_ball
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 01:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"Accept who you are and what your heritage offers you. It's OK to be at odds with certain political aspects of your "selfness"...American foreign policy, Jewish treatment of the Palestinians, English treatment of otherwise decent food (ok..that last one was an attempt at humor). But, be proud of the heritage that life (and your ancestors) have offered you. Embrace it."

Well said James, aontaim leat gan amhras

www.craobhcrua.org

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Riona
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 01:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I very much am proud to be American, I just want to be Irish, does this make any sense to anyone here.

Ouch! sure and the French L sounds very hard. I saw a movie once in which some young American brothers visiting Europe were shanghaied into it and made to fight WW1 with them. Thats my only knowledge and experience pertaining to them prior to reading this.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Odwyer
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 03:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Anyone know anything on my Irish citizenship? How eligble am I?

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James
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 03:29 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

O'Dwyer...as far as I can tell...you are not eligible.

Sorry...guess you're stuck.

Is minic a bhris beál duine a shrón.

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Anyone know anything on my Irish citizenship? How eligble am I?



Other methods that would affect your future eligibility have been discussed above, but in terms of your current eligibility, you need to have either a parent or grandparent born in either the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland to qualify for Irish citizenship. I don't think there are any exceptions to this, but you could always contact your local consulate of the Irish Embassy and ask. I have found the folks at my local consulate of the Irish Embassy (NYC) to be very friendly and helpful.

http://www.irelandemb.org/

They're only a phone call away.

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noone (Unregistered Guest)
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Odwyer, if your goal is to live in Ireland, can you not do so via the EU rules and your Spanish Citizenship (by birth)?

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shoshana (Unregistered Guest)
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A Chairde,

What a great group this is where people are willing to discuss things. As for Riona and O'Dwyer I believe that it is best to follow ones dreams to the end and see where they take you.

PS. no "shaloms" please. gag me

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Odwyer
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 10:27 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think I might be able to, noone.



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