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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2006 (May-June) » Archive through June 25, 2006 » Guess who WON'T be able to do a degree in Irish.... « Previous Next »

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 133
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Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 07:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Why? Because the Norwegian Loan Fund does not provide financial support for any undergraduate course shorter than a 3 year degree. In a few threads back, I expressed my hope to do a "Dioplóma sa Ghaeilge" at the University of Ulster. But there'll be none of that now, will it?

*boils with rage*

Isn't it ironic? An international student cannot obtain a degree in Irish IN Ireland? You have to go everywhere else!! France, Germany, Wales, North-America. They all have it! But Ireland?! Oh noooooooooo! It should be illegal, should be publicly shunned, shamed and boo-ed!

Especially now that the interest in Irish is rising!

Queen's in Belfast discontinued their beginner's course too. How is that possible? They must be getting dusins of applications from abroad?

What's a woman like me to do??

It's shocking, it's discouraging, it's an absolutely destitute situation! Why doesn't anybody do something? Can't the government do something?

I should leave before I blow up the whole Daltaí-forum...

(Message edited by norwegiandame on June 19, 2006)

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Aaron
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Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:03 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá brón orm sin a chloisteáil...

What options do you have now? Are there NO four-year diplomas available in Ireland?

Maybe you could come to North America...

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Martin (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 09:48 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Well Norwegiandame ,

I guess my e-mail which Robert requested i send to you, regarding Maynooth, which you didn't bother to reply to was pointless.

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Wee_falorie_man
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Post Number: 34
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Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ach, I'm sorry to hear that Norwegiandame - Hang in there!

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Riona
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Post Number: 294
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Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ta bron orm a Norwegiandame. That is dreadful. You have apparently come up against a really big problem. If people can get Irish degrees more easily in every country but Ireland then the world is a wrong and messed up place indeed. I don't know how to help you except to commiserate with you. I don't understand how this could be. Really confused and wondering along with Norwegiandame what she is to do now.

A Robert's friend a chara,

If you're still around, tell him to come back, we forgive him. And if he refuses to, then please tell him that Riona wants to know what an "American smile" is because he said I had one and my best friend and I have been pondering the concept for some weeks now. He hasn't seen me ever but I think he was trying to half-insult me, though it just made me curious rather than offending me, also gave my friend and I some good laughs. Go raibh maith agat for your consideration.

Beir bua agus beannacht.

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Mbm
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:31 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I don't know how these things work in Norway, but I thought I should say that the Diploma in Irish at the University of Ulster, and similar courses in other universities in Ireland, is not a degree. It still is a third-level qualification, it is at undergraduate level, but it ranks lower than a degree such as a BA or a BSc.

Sorry if I'm spoling the party. Universities that offer these diplomas, Irish or other subjects, often have an option for students to transfer to a full-fledged degree programme at the end.

Is mise,
Michal Boleslav Mechura

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 08:19 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

>> Why? Because the Norwegian Loan Fund does not provide financial support for any undergraduate course shorter than a 3 year degree.

>> Universities that offer these diplomas, Irish or other subjects, often have an option for students to transfer to a full-fledged degree programme at the end.

Is fíor sin.

Your Dioplóma having the possiblity of continuing after one year to an Hons Degree in four years may obtain recognition for funding if you point to the fact that you shall be engaged on a four year program rather than just one year.

ie. You sign on for one in Ireland but you commit to four in Norway?
Can the Norwegian side go with that? No harm in putting it to them.

Go n-éirí sin leat.

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 134
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 12:24 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Well, I forgot to mention that I WAS indeed intending to continue with a BA after the Dioplóma. But I would probably have to apply for that BA when I had finished the Dioplóma. If the Dioplóma was an extension of the 3-year BA, making it a 4-year BA, and was not a separate course of its own, I would get financial support. So Seosamh, it doesn't look so bright.

I did put the BA in Irish at UU on my UCAS application and I expect a decision to be made this week. The chances are I will be unsuccessful anyhow.

Aaron, I wouldn't want to go to North-America. It's simply too far away. My other option is to apply anew for somewhere else, probably on the European continent, but I don't want to go there either. England... well, Oxford Uni has a course in Celtic languages. But it's too late to apply now, and I can't wait another year to start studying. I've been going through the alternatives time and time again and I cannot find anything suitable. The good ones are too far away and everywhere else than in Ireland.

Martin, I meant no offense by not replying to Robert. It's just that I didn't know what to write back. I'm trying to think of something to ask him, and I WILL reply.

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 135
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I wrote to the Norwegian Loan Fund that the Diploma was a 1 year full-time degree that designed for people with little or no prior knowledge in Irish. And that I could be transferred to a 3 year BA upon graduation.

They wrote back: "For å kunne få støtte til utdanning i utlandet, må det være fulltids gradsutdanning (bachelor eller master). Det kan ikke gis støtte til kurs av kortere varighet, som Diploma."

...which means... To be eligible for financial support for education abroad, the degree course must be full-time(bachelor or master). We cannot provide financial support for a course of shorter duration, like a Diploma.

"Krav som må tilfredsstilles er at det er gradsutdanning på fulltid ved offentlig godkjent lærested i studielandet."

The requirements are that the full-time degree course is offered by a third-level institution that is officially recognised(or something like that...) in that specific country.

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 01:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Norwegiandame, are you a student? I went to Coleraine University by an ERASMUS exchange between my own University and Coleraine's. Can't you do that? :-S

Tír Chonaill abú!

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Riona
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Post Number: 296
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 02:32 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

That is really quite shameful that the Norwegian government won't give you a chance, a Norwegiandame. It is also a massively huge shame that it seems to be easier to get an Irish degree anywhare but Ireland. This is a problem that shouldn't be ignored by people who have ability to to improve situations, as in people in government or at least in third-level education circles.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Mickrua
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 03:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sorry for your predicament Norwegiandame,but like many things in life Bureaucracy gone mad.Our "Educational Establishment Leaders" have plotted along with our Govt Ministers NOT TO RECOGNISE INTERNATIONALLY AWARDED IRISH QUALIFICATIONS" as it would not "be up to standard".
I am sorry but we have a President who is getting "coaching in Gaeilge" and our PM never speaks the "original language of the country".Poor old Bertie his command of the English is not brilliant but as for the Gaeilge he does not even give us a " Cúpla focal anois agus arís" ach sin scéal eile.Fancy the PM of a former colony in Africa not being able to speak the language of "his people".

(Message edited by mickrua on June 20, 2006)

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Riona
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Post Number: 297
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 04:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

At least the Pres. tries. I've never heard anything about O'Hern trying. But it is rediculous that Irish degrees are not given the position in education that they ought to be given in a country whare Irish is the national language. Indeed, education is usually wrapped up in a bundle with the government.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 04:46 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The President has now acheived fluency. She was educated in Northern Irealnd, but once she became President insisted on learning. She also had her biography published in Irish first.

And, for the record, I have heard Bertie speak Irish on RnaG. He has obviously been heavily coached, but he does make an effort.

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 136
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Mickrua: Hah! How arrogant! The Irish government should do some investigation into the standard of Gaeilge among Ireland's citizens! Then we will see who is not "up to standard"!!!!!

Lughaidh, I'm not a student so I cannot take advantage of Socrates or ERASMUS.

Riona, thank you for your compassion. It shows that you are about as disappointed as I am.

About international students not being able to become "up to standard" - that's a load of baloney. Have they given anyone a chance? It seems not. They're only being presumptuous and prejudgemental. I would have shown them what a non-Irish student could had I been given the chance! I bet I as well as many others here and elsewhere would excel most native Irish students.

It would be a great idea to let internationals study Irish because:

- The international interest is increasing: the Irish themselves aren't too keen on preserving their language and becoming fluent speakers so why not let internationals do it for them!

- The universities would make hundreds of thousands of €s every year because the tuition fees for non-EU international students are thrice as high as the one for EU-students!

- They would get very eager and motivated students!

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to write a letter to Mrs Mary McAleese and express my frustration!

Why is a beginner BA degree in Scottish Gaelic available in Scotland? Why is a beginner BA degree in Welsh available in Wales? Those two countries obviously have a different attitude towards this.

Do you think a petition would be good as well? I could set up an online petition.

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Riona
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:43 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'd sign a petition a Norwegiandame.

A Aonghus a chara, that's why I mentioned that the pres. tries, I hadn't heard that she'd done so well though, that's grand. I mentioned her efforts because I did think that Mickrua was too hard on her in his post.

A Norwegiandame, just a guess, but I don't know that she's the one you'd need to write to. Anyone else know of other people who might have more direct control of the issue, that way N can get the message across to someone who could potentially fix the problem. And yes a Norwegiandame, I'm dissappointed for you because I wanted you to be able to do this.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Seán_bailey
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Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 08:22 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Norwegiandame, cáilín áillin,

Aaahhh, a stóirín bocht! Tóg go bog é, bí ar do shuaimhneas!

Comhairigh go dtí a deich ar dtús! ;-)

-Seán-

My Ulster blood is my most priceless heritage (James Buchanan 1791-1868)

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 137
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Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 04:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Thanks, Seán. It's too long since I last heard from you by the way. Could you please drop me a line? Tell me how are and everything! :-)

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Seán_bailey
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:22 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Scríobh mé riomhphoist chugat an tseachtain seo caite....

My Ulster blood is my most priceless heritage (James Buchanan 1791-1868)

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 138
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 01:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I didn't receive any e-mail.... ??

Níor fhaigh mé aon riomhpost.... ??

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1351
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 03:23 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

-> Ní bhfuair mé aon ríomhphost/ríomhphost ar bith

(It isn't "níor fhaigh" because this verb is irregular)

Tír Chonaill abú!

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Norwegiandame
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Post Number: 141
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 09:29 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cool, didn't know that. Go raibh maith 'ad!
But there's no difference between ríomhphost and ríomhphost, is there....

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 05:35 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sorry, i didn't explain it clearly! I meant: to say "any email", you can say either "ríomhphost ar bith" or "aon ríomhphost". In Ulster, people mainly use the first one.

Tír Chonaill abú!



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