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An Dub (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 02:47 pm: |
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Féach ar an scéal seo:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4997698.stm Níl cead ag na imreoirí bheith ag caint as Breatnais |
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Julia
Member Username: Julia
Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:27 pm: |
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I didn't think it was possible for me to hate Big Brother more than I already did...but there it is. FRC - Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 198 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:43 pm: |
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That is dreadfull. Eeeeeek, the show is living up to its name and that is the truth of it, 1984, sensorship and control and all that. I think Big Brother in that region of the world is a bit different than it is in America. My best friend devotedly watches it here during the summer when it airs and she has never mentioned a "big brother" voice that they go and talk to. I've never seen that channel surfing either. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist on the American version but I suspect it doesn't. |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:52 pm: |
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Níl. |
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Norwegiandame
Member Username: Norwegiandame
Post Number: 85 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 07:27 pm: |
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WHO CARES about that idiotic show ? ! ? ! I think Welsh is too beautiful to be spoken by anyone in a group where all sleep with one another in front of the camera and act like jerks. Sin é mo thuairim ar aon chaoi. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 206 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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You've a really good point, I think Big Brother is stupid too, I have never enjoyed it. Even so and even Welsh is too nice for such things, it still help the language look cooler to the young crowd. It sound like Big Brother has much more influence in that region of the world than Big Brother does here. I told my Big Brother-watching friend about the whole thing and she thought it was rediculous, mentioning then that noone had ever tried languages besides English on BB in America. She also thought codes would be cool. Anyways, it is the principle of the thing. |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 88 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 09:10 pm: |
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I'd never heard of Big Brother until this thread. Is it very popular in the US? I might be a little behind the times for a teen, but I thought I was familiar with most hit shows here. It's really frustrating that they treat Welsh that way when they really could use it as an opportunity to propagate the language to young people. I hope it can turn around a bit. Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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Julia
Member Username: Julia
Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 06:22 am: |
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It's not popular in the US (buíochas le Día), but it's a *huge* phenomenon in the UK. Aindréas, you are missing nothing at all--a bunch of fame-hungry idiot nobodies locked in a house doing nothing. And being videotaped (and I think broadcast on certain channels?) 24 hours a day. FRC - Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 06:20 pm: |
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It's not popular at all over here, similar shows have been attempted and they all tanked. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 208 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 12:53 am: |
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Most people here in America don't really watch it much to my knowledge. That is except my best friend and her mother who look forward to each summer when it airs on CBS channels. I don't know anything about people watching it 24 hrs a day, never of that occurring on any channel. I just never could get into it. However I devotedly watch Survivor every week, along with my dad and said best friend and other people I know. That is funny though a Aindreas, that you've never heard of it. I didn't know there was a Big Brother in the UK, I now call it "Brit Brother", until last year when Rick and Ruth talked about on the 2 FM morning show on RTE. I still carry great amounts of irritation that those 2 got canceled and now there's just boring old Marty in the Morning. Wondering if anyone agrees with me here. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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Being high schoolers, my friends watch alot of TV. Never once have I heard any mention of Big Brother. A Riona, I used to watch Survivor too, but now I have too much work. It was a great show in its own rights. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 211 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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Sure and its the only show I have the time to watch during the week. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 517 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 09:59 am: |
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Tg4 did some type of a BB thing there something like i'm not a gaeilgeoir get me out of here, it was a joke! On introducing that dude from cymru (who looks like he should be from Baywatch, California!!) Davina said "...He thinks in welsh and speaks in english" I don't like that polasaí ach tuigim é... I mean he could be broadcast live on air praising al-qaeda or whatever took his fancy... A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 220 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 11:20 pm: |
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I don't see why they can't just put on subtitles. In America, reality shows have subtitles if the people on are whispering to each other or talking quietly so that the all of us know what is being said. It couldn't be that hard to have someone around who could due the subtitles for Welsh. In fact if I was around there, I'd even watch the show just to see them speaking Welsh and support it, even though I don't like Big Brother. And about that TG4 program, did they really do that or was it just an idea. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 3193 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 06:30 am: |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 221 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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interesting. Go raibh maith agat a Aonghus. I guess thats not exactly what I pictured when Domhnall mentioned it but that is fine just the same. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 222 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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OK. So I think a better version of such a show would be as follows. X number of people who have no Irish or very limited Irish are sent to stay with families who must speak exclusively in Irish to them. Whoever does the best at learning to get on in the language after a certain set amount of time is the winner, all the people could be shown on the show and they'd be given challenges etc. No clue if anyone would like or watch it, but it sounds a bit more entertaining than the current show. Another thing that would be neat is an Irish version of a Survivoresque type show. Everyone could be on one of the little uninhabited islands off the coast in the summer and the contestants would have to be Irish speaking, of course, to be on the show and they'd speak Irish through the whole thing, it wouldn't be the point of the show to try to do that, it would just be the way people are talking to each other. They could be on teams and be in challenges, vote each other out, all that. That would be grand in my opinion. Beir bua agus beannacht. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 1133 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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The don't want any other language than English spoken in the house for the simple reason that they want everyone to understand everything that's being said. They don't want a room full of ten people with the two Welsh people passing comments back and forth in Welsh in front of the English people. I think it would be fair to let them speak Welsh when they're alone in the diary room, or perhaps in the diary room in the exclusive company of other housmates who speak Welsh. That would be fair. The should even get a Welsh speaking Big Brother voice to talk to them in the Diary Room. Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin Correct me for the love of God... I'm a perfectionist! : )
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 765 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:07 am: |
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i like three things about what you've said, riona 1) the idea for the whole learn-the-language reality show is great and i'd buy the dvds (and i hate reality shows) 2) taking popular concept shows and doing gaeilge versions - exactly what's needed 3) having irish be the medium of said shows, but not the purpose of them (unlike #1, which i think is a great idea nonetheless). one of the things, i think, that afflicts irish media is that much of it is focused on the language itself. we need things that are great and cool and entertaining that just happen to be in irish, like lots of great and cool and entertaining things just happen to be in english without being *about* english. a startrek-like scifi show in irish, for instance...maybe something like farscape or firefly. how about a show like 90210, but DON'T set it in the gaeltacht...it doesn't even have to be set in ireland at all...just that the language used as a medium for it is irish. i think that'll help gaeilge's image...and she does suffer from an 'image problem'... |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 225 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:34 am: |
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Oh Antaine, The secret is out, I'm sort of a closet trekkie so Star Trek in Irish would be exciting. I've taken to watching Next Generation whenever I can on reruns in order, partly, to see if O'Brien will be on. I know I'm a dork, noone needs to tell me. Fearnambrog's point of view is interesting to note, I doubt that they'd send in a Welsh BB to talk to Welsh speaking charactors, I'd imagine subtitles for the audience would be more likely to happen. I figure that if they choose to talk in Welsh thats grand. The trouble is that they'd have to make sure to be sweet to all the English-onlies so they didn't get voted off the show. Beir bua agus beannacht |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 767 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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by my count, other than michael dorn (worf) who was in all of TNG and DS9, colm meaney (o'brien) had the 2nd longest run in all of Trek history, with quite a spell of DS9 focusing on his character and the Dr. |
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Aaron
Member Username: Aaron
Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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Maybe someone could start a "Translate Star Trek into Gaeilge" project? (Message edited by aaron on May 31, 2006) |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 235 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:21 am: |
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A Aaron a chara, I'd totally support that idea. A Antaine, have you seen the episode on DS9 when everyone's universal translators break and we find out that, unbenonced to anyone, O'Brien doesn't have any English and just speaks Irish. It is my dream to see this episode, I hope I get to some day. What a grand idea. Beir bua |
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Aindréas
Member Username: Aindréas
Post Number: 93 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:31 am: |
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Antaine, you're absolutely right. A couple weeks ago I watched an interview with Máire O'Brennan in Irish (on her music). And my first thought was how neat it was that Irish was being used for something so ordinary, yet the focus was not on Irish. It gave it a totally different feel than what you usually experience. There does need to be a focus on the language itself, since so much is at stake, but I think that if it were kept out of the media it would work wonders for it's image, especially with young people. They need to stop seeing the language as wrapped up in itself. Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 07:31 am: |
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My sis used to be a trekkie... we used to watch DS9 all the time. I've never even heard of that episode. Are you sure they weren't kidding? |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 236 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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a chara, Maybe you're right, it might have been wishful thinking on someone's part, I don't blame them though. ... |
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Robert (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:05 pm: |
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There si one episode where there is a sickness and people speak in mixed up English and no one can understand them. The thing about the episode is that they were then treated like loons, as if no other mothod of communication could be used. The funny thing about it is that his bio has him growing up in the West of Ireland by a mother who uses the replicators not...but he is a dub! |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 768 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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and he does ask i think sisko to "look up his folks" if he gets a chance to visit dublin on a trip back to earth. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 239 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 08:53 pm: |
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Well, it sounds like the all of you know more than myself. Now I'm really mad that this said episode does not exist because I was so looking forward to seeing it someday. How obnoxious to have one's anticipation crushed by the harsh truth. Beir bua |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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Well, I didn't say it didn't exist, just that I've never heard of it. |
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Robert (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 07:38 am: |
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Neither am I, just giving you the episode closest to my memory. I didnt have a TV for long spells so dropped out of watching DS9 so there is lots I dont know |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 04:23 pm: |
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Wonder how many other people on this board were once/are trekkies... |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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Well, now that you mention it, I have every single episode of the original Star Trek series on DVD. I've never seen any of the newer versions that came out later so I don't know how they measure up to the original. I did see a few of the movies that came out later but I didn't like them at all; however, to me, the original Star Trek series is a work of art. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 254 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 08:40 pm: |
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Yeah I've seen a couple of the movies too any they stunk. I just can't get into the originals, they're just so ... cheesy in my opinion but its neat that you like them. And the old ones don't have O'Brien or Troi who are my favorites. |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 772 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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"little green men" was one where the ds9 ferengis wind up in a time warp and are inadvertently responsible for the roswell crash. due to "nuclear detonations in the upper atmosphere" their universal translators don't work and they speak in ferengi. |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 26 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 12:56 am: |
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The original Star Trek - Cheesy? Arrgh ... yer killin' me Riona ;) Ah yes, Roswell. Though I may seem like an ordinary person, I am actually the self-proclaimed expert on the "Roswell Crash"! |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 255 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 02:27 pm: |
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Sure I think its cheesy but that has no bearing on whether I think it is grand for yourself to like it. I wish that translator episode existed because that's sort of why I started watching Star Trek of late, oh well, I still like the show. |
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 05:48 pm: |
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I really don't like Troi... she sleeps around too much. I have always liked Data best. |
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Riona
Member Username: Riona
Post Number: 256 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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I don't like the sleeping around either, but she's so neat, she just has a way about herself that I like. I like the way she can read people and help them out by being sweet and sensative to them. As to Data, I couldn't stand him at first but he has really grown on me. O'Brien and Troi are my favorites. I like the Captain a lot too. Its fun to listen to Worf talk, he's great at narrating nature documentaries by the way. |
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