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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2006 (May-June) » Archive through June 02, 2006 » Sexy and sensual... « Previous Next »

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Aaron
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 05:21 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

An Italian friend of mine once said that she thought the Irish language was the sexiest language in the world, and there have been a few comments on daltaí lately about how sensual Irish is.

So I was wondering if people could comment on why they think the Irish language is so sexy and sensual...

What makes a language sensual? Why is Irish Sexier than others?

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 06:03 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

There is no standard explanation for why one certain person thinks this and that is sexy/sensual. I think though that one of the reasons why I think Irish is so sensual is because it's so foreign and unique. It's so different from the languages I'm used to. Of course, it also depends who speaks Irish and what is said. :-)

I can vividly imagine an Irishman proposing to me in Irish for instance! A man with a deep voice and all that.

Irish is not always sensual though, it depends on the situation, who speaks it(that deep voice that I can imagine!) etc.

Does this sound crazy or what!?

(Message edited by norwegiandame on May 11, 2006)

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Aindréas
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 06:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hmm … I don't find Irish very sensual. Absolutely the most beautiful language on earth, but not sensual. Spanish to me is more a sensual language.

Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.

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Odwyer
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Spanish more sensual?! Irish is the most sensual language because it went unwritten for so long; sound and not grammar was focused on. English is also quite sensual. Danger sounds dangerous, and smooth is, well, smooth sounding.

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Riona
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sure and Irish to me is definitely the most centual language in the world, as well as being oh so beautiful in a regular way too, meaning that when girls speak or sing in it its beautiful and when men speak it its just plain hot. As to Spanish, I have been having to learn it t college so I have really been turned off to it. I suppose the problem is that I'm quite bitter that my school doesn't offer Irish so I take that frustration out on Spanish, probably mean and unfair of me but that is how I feel. 4 more weeks and I'll be done with that, hurray! I agree with Norwegiandame that the idea of a hot man talking to me in Irish is one of the most sexy things I can think of. I don't know why.

Beir bua agus beannacht.

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Ceolmhar
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Personally, I think it's a cute language. I do listen to RnaG gach lá and have picked up so many little sayings from that station. I've learnt a lot more from Spongue Bob ar TG4 freisin.

There is a girl that narrates between programmes on TG4, she sort of whispers and she really wibbles me hoop!

Unfortunately though, I think you'll find that a lot of Dublin folk dislike the sound of Irish. I've heard some even call it 'disgusting' and 'barbaric'. Ship them back to the 'main land' I say.

Anyway, Irish _is_ a sensual language. I must record that girl off TG4, she does is right. She really drags her whispery gutteral sounds, I can't explain it.

Some of the lads on RnaG make Irish sound like a really 'comfy' lingo to speak.

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 03:06 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

---> Scríobh Ceolmhar: Unfortunately though, I think you'll find that a lot of Dublin folk dislike the sound of Irish. I've heard some even call it 'disgusting' and 'barbaric'. Ship them back to the 'main land' I say.

What??!!!?? Disgusting? Barbaric? What animals!!
That really touches my Gaeilge-nerve... (I've expressed before that I don't like Norwegian, but let me explain that I think it is neither disgusting or barbaric.)

---> Scríobh Riona: ... and when men speak it its just plain hot.

You said it!

I wonder what the native speakers here think of all this. Haha!

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This is a sicko thread

I think Gweedore people have the most pleasent accent, English or Irish, but sexy?

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The funny thing about languages is that each have their sex appeal...

For years now Spanish, French, and Italian have been known as the languages of love but has anyone ever asked why? Is Spanish any more romantic than German?

The answer is of course not!

I think the reason why these languages are so well liked is because they tend to be more neutral on the ears. If Spanish had some of the harsh sounds that German did, it would not be so popular...I had to take lessons in the Lakhota language in college. As for unusual and harsh sounds, that may be one of the worst languages, but it has some of the most romantic and beautiful expressions of love I have ever come across in any language.

As for Irish, I think that of all the Celtic languages...it's the sexiest. Welsh is very musical and pleasant to listen to, however, that "ch" which is all over the language can scare people away from it just as German does. It sounds like they are trying to hack the back of their throats at you. Scottish is also very nice, but I think that some of the vowel sounds scare people away.

Irish on the other hand tends to be a good middle ground. While it has that back of the throat action, it is not as strong as Welsh, and the vowels are pretty familiar to my English ears. Something else that it has, as well as all the Celtic languages, is that ancient mystery to it. Which is very powerful and sexy.

I mean just go to any romance section in a book store...they majority of the books have a picture of some Scottish guy on them! But that's not the language, that's usually the highlander love genre...but at least they're Celtic!

I have to agree with the statement made earlier that it doesn't matter what language is being spoken...it's who's doing the speaking. For instance, I do not like the sounds of the German language, but I have heard many German ladies who I could listen to talk all day long...

However, having said that, if a lass can speak Irish...she's already way ahead of the rest in my book ;-)

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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:41 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Mé seacht dtroithe ar airde
Ag tionlacan mo rogha banríona
Lá a corónaithe
Os cionn fuíollach a cineáil iomláin.
*

(ón dán/amhrán "Seachtain" le Louis de Paor)

Más í teanga atá i gceist, cén ceann? Ní hansa:

Beatha dhuine a thoil. I bhfocail eile, à chacun ses goûts.

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I'm seven feet tall
Escorting my chosen queen
The day she's crowned
Above all the rest of her kind.

(Languages are feminine in Irish... except an Béarla.)

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Dennis, what is your opinion?

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Dennis
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:27 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Is maith liom Hawai'is. Tá an lámh in uachtar ag na gutaí inti! Éist le "He Mele no Lilo":

http://www.ksbe.edu/campus/elementary/lilo_and_stitch/he_mele_trans.html

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The Irish language involves the tongue alot and the throat- could that have something to do with it being sexy?:)

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Spéir
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Seán scríobh: I think the reason why these languages are so well liked is because they tend to be more neutral on the ears. If Spanish had some of the harsh sounds that German did, it would not be so popular...I had to take lessons in the Lakhota language in college. As for unusual and harsh sounds, that may be one of the worst languages, but it has some of the most romantic and beautiful expressions of love I have ever come across in any language.

I think this is a major misconception.
Spanish and German both share the same sound [x]. Infact Spanish has [x] infront of high vowels, while german only has [c], which is much smoother and nicer.

I think any language beats spanish at sexiness. If anything, spanish reminds me of lisping, and that reminds me of gay men, and that is not very sexy.
Especially Spanish Spanish (from spain).

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That's absolutely right. Some dialects of Spanish use a very throaty [x] sound. But there is no reason to think of this sound as unpleasant. To me the "k" and "g" sounds are harder and harsher, while "throat" sounds (like "ch" and "gh" in Irish) are softer-sounding.

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Spanish is well-liked by many English speakers because it is easier for English speakers to learn (compared to other languages) and is widely spoken in so many countries, including the U.S. If Spanish sounds more pleasant than other languages, it is probably because it's more familiar to you. German and other languages are much more difficult for English-speakers to learn, and I think that's why they're less popular.

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 01:40 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

This is nothing to do with the language and everything to do with past experiences.

If a child was abused by a man who had a beard, then when they're older, they'll generally take a disliking to men with facial hair. This has nothing to do with facial hair in and of itself, and everything to do with past experiences.

Maybe an Eskimo would think English is the most sexy language...

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 01:56 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

So how do you explain the fact that I love Irish?
What in my past has lead me to that?

By the way, I hate Spanish and I hate German. They are two of the ugliest tongues I know of. No offense to the lovers of them.

Dennis, I think I'm beginning to like Hawaiian too!

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Ceolmhar
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 04:55 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Fear_na_mbróg, did you get your passport name changed yet?

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"The Irish language involves the tongue alot "

And other don't? I know certain parks where communication involves winks, nods, and whatever colour hanky is sticking out of your back pocket, but thats another story

"while "throat" sounds (like "ch" and "gh" in Irish) are softer-sounding"

They are not created in the throat, but beside where g and k (velar) are. I believed young inexperienced ladies make throat sounds as a consequnce of a blockage at that very area. Ms Lovelace has much advice on what to do there.

"So how do you explain the fact that I love Irish?"

I had to put something here in the hope the post will not get deleated (the eye might miss the last bit...)

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I heard once that Europeans hearing Irish think it sounds like German

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Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 07:06 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

That's because they both have glutteral sounds, so people automatically assume that any language with them is German.

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I was going to say it's not the language per se, but the men speaking and writing it. But, the particular status of the Irish language tells you something about its (non-native) speakers: something a little rebellious, a little Don Quixote, willing to put a great deal of effort into something not all that useful. But beautiful. And somewhat subversive.

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Riona
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Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 10:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

To the person who mentioned Lakota above, I think it is quite a nice language and I like hearing it spoken. I suppose we all have different taste in languages.

To Robert, I think its hilarious that you think this thread is grose when you're the one who has been to make unnecessary sex references in places whare they're irrelevent.

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Robert - Grow up, your nudge, nudge, wink wink messages are so juvenile

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Riona
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Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 10:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

My point was ever so much just proved!

As to what we think is nice and what isn't, it is true that sometimes we associate certain languages with either pleasant or unpleasant things based on experience, but I think that sometimes there is just something about a language that pleases a person, reguardless of experience.

As to Irish sounding like German, my dad is notorious for saying that when ever we watch Roan Inish and we get to that scene whare the boy shouts at the schoolmaster in Irish.

To me, Irish sounds different when sung than when spoken, surely other languages are that way as well, but to me Irish is the one that stands out in this reguard.

Beir bua agus beannacht.

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Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:42 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

There are but indirect words in Irish for love and sex and everything that surrounds the two, or so it seems to me, everything has to be hinted at rather than directly referred to. You have to read through the lines that are said, as they ride the fence between love and friendship very carefully. That's the game, it seems and only the very patient can play! Cuireann focail i nGaeilge o bhuachailli na heireann mo chloigeann ina cheap agus bionn orm iad (na focail)a scrudu go curamach chun fhail amach cad is bri leo, i ndairire -- is e an misteir ata faoi cheilt istigh iontu chomh maith le fuaim an teanga ata tarraingteacht domsa. Ta se chomh easca miniu a shamhladh nach bhfuil ann agus is ea piosa den chultur eireannach, is doigh liom -- rian ata fagtha fiu i bhfoclaiocht gra buachailli na heireann nach bhfuil ach bearla acu.

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 09:29 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Cheolmhair, I've been a bit lazy.

I went in to the Four Courts and got all the forms, but I haven't gone to a Commissioner for Oaths yet. I plan on having it sorted within the next two weeks, 'cause I'm finished college for the Summer, and my exams will be over soon. I might go to a Gaeltacht for while while I'm off.

The name-change process is all pretty straight forward. They give you a template deed document and all, and you just replace the name with your own name. Only thing though, it's written in Early Modern English... so best of luck making sense of it!

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 09:36 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Also, I agree that Robert's regular use of sexual innuendo is distateful and inappropriate on this board. I've nothing against lude conversation, so long as it's kept where it should be.

Robert, how do you think a parent would feel if their nine year old child came onto this site to learn Irish, only to have to read your sleazy comments?

And please don't come back with one of those "it's just reproduction, nothing lude about it" defenses -- it works for nudity, but not sleaziness.

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Riona
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Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 07:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sure and we enjoy you and you are important to this site, we just see no need for comments of a crude nature. Fearnambrog is right about young kids looking at this site, you never know who might come upon it.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Norwegiandame
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Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 07:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Perhaps membership should be a requirement for posting here? Just a suggestion.

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Riona
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Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 08:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Norwegiandame, a chara,

Le do theol, don't open that can of worms again. That was part of that massive site-improvement thread which tackled a number of issues of such persuasion. I don't think that would be fair to have such a rule by the way.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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I don't think a nine year old would get any of his lewd jokes, to be honest. Too innocent a mind. Not that I'm saying that it's OK for him to do that, it really isn't.

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I thought about mentioning that, but then I thought better of it because that might insinuate that it is OK which it isn't. It is true though that a little child of 9 wouldn't catch on.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:46 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yeah, but teenagers do catch on. And even parents who trust their kids wouldn't like them visiting sites where they know such things are occuring. =)

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Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:38 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think the accents - Canúint na Gaillimhe ach go háirithe - are what makes An Ghaeilge such a hottie ;)

The tg4 buachaillí agus cáilíní, the passion people have for their native tongue as they speak it, the sound of words in irish being aluring and myself (obviously, being the stallion that i am) also help.. ;)

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I have a pre-teen son who's been learning Irish for the last few years. I would never allow him to visit this site because of the lewd and vulgar remarks that are not only posted here but are allowed to remain. I also have an older daughter that would be very offended by the disgraceful remarks made about women on this site. It's a shame that something can't be done about such postings like deleting them (hint!), or restricting such posters.

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Domhnall, you amadán! :-)
Be modest now.

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I think that there is a difference between talking about how sexy something is, like Irish, and making unnecessary sexual comments about things. I assume we all agree on this front, well, the most of us do. After all, we're all talking about the language being sexy but most of us have not made any comments that are construed to be vulgar, with the noted exception that we are refering to. Quite frankly I'd much rather hear comments about politics, which we aren't allowed to make, than lude and crude comments, which are very much allowed and aren't discouraged officially.

Beir bua agus beannacht

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I am 14 years old.

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Sure and there is a real lot of young people who are on this site

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Quite frankly I'd much rather hear comments about politics, which we aren't allowed to make, than lude and crude comments, which are very much allowed and aren't discouraged officially



Not very much allowed Riona, just not always noticed in time. We have deleted more than a few posts over the years which were considered "over the line" before anyone had a chance to respond to them. Additionally, differentiating between the uncouth and the obscene is not always as easy a task as it might seem. Much depends on the context of the remark and the values of the audience at hand - the latter criterion being particularly troublesome to discern in an online community comprised of people of varying ages and backgrounds from all over the world that communicate solely via text.

In any event, I thank those who took the time to post their thoughts on this matter. It helps immeasurably. I also ask a favor of sorts: when someone posts something which you consider to be vulgar and offensive, please bring it to my attention (or Liam's) via email (links in our profiles). That way we'll have a much better opportunity to view the remark and delete it if necessary, before it becomes the subject of a 100 post thread ;-)

Go raibh maith agaibh.

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"I don't think etc etc.... any of his lewd jokes"

Like I'm doing it all the time. As for innocence, when I was in school, innuendo, sorry vulgarity, peaked from late primary to mid secondry school.

I didnt think kids were on this site. I wouldnt talk like that with a child about. However, I hear worse from Irish children, so I'm assuming ye all have a very confused image of what kids talk about, as if it is about just toys etc Children are very public with their abuse so I feel some of the posters are naive about what childhood entails. I dont know about 9, but by the teens nothing said here should be shocking. If it is, it is a sign of backwardness. Hiding your conservatism behind children who may or may not be here is disengenous.

I should just write it in Irish and it wont be understood by the naysayers who want a very two dimensional, clap-each-other-on-the-back sort of site. Anyway, you know, a joke can seem good when your about to say it, and not been well recieved. It does not mean it was a perverted idea to begin with. Remember, I was calling attention to the fact that the velar fricatives in Irish are enunciated in the mouth, not the throat.

Its funny, the same people who are uninterested in language details (meaning: not really interested/applied) jump on the moral bandwagon so easily. Is the link a coincidence?

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Really Robert - Lewd and rude! The "joke" you cite was not the only offensive remark and not the worst by far. Your graphic description of a sexual encounter written a few months ago was offensive even written as Gaeilge.
This is not the place for such postings in any language.


Then, instead of an apology to those of us who object to your rudeness, you resort to name-calling. We're too conservative, naysayers, the kids know it all anyhow, and finally, we just are not as interested in language details. Funny, but it was reading such a post that I encountered your latest jape.

Stick to what you're good at - the language and find some other site for your raiméis.

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Yes. This can’t be an easy job Caoimhín. This is important and I'm glad people are talking about it. There are kids here and it raises that tricky question of censorship. Certainly teachers cannot engage in any type of conversation online that is of a sexual nature. If their student happened to be online, it would be grounds for instant dismissal. As a parent and as a teacher I have to say, ‘and rightly so.’ If there is a genuine question about a medical term a person can be directed to the answer. But if there are crude jokes and the tone is offensive and disrespectful, it is damaging.

I still think it boils down to a respect issue. Some people are rude and offensive in answers. I know that's a hard one to judge sometimes. The written word is open to misinterpretation. But sometimes it’s obvious. Some people lean on caps, use lots of exclamation marks and write in a state of rage and often that’s when they say things that are damaging. If we respect our readers we don’t use offensive language or an offensive tone. Crude jokes offend. Crude language is not respectful.

I would like to see an end to crude language and degrading comments and try to have the same standards of respect applied here as would be expected of a teacher in a classroom where children are present. I’m not sure if it’s possible but at least it’s something to aim for.
Thank you for things you have edited in the past Caoimhín. It’s easy to forget kids can read what we write here. We need to protect them from inappropriate language. Míle maith agat a Chaoimhín agus go neirí an t-ádh leat.

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Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 02:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Is trua nach bhfuil Máirtín Ó Cadhain ("A right galoot if ever there was one. A Joycean smutmonger.") beo fós le páirt a ghlacadh sa chomhrá seo. Bhí seisean bréan de lucht an Ghúim, daoine "[who] presumed that everything that was to be written in Irish was for children or nuns." Is fearr i bhfad liom atmasféar an tí tábhairne ná cúinge an tseomra ranga. Mar a dúirt Billy Connolly in agallamh leis ar an NY Times ar maidin, "Vulgarity's wonderful. We have a great history of it, back to Milton." Is féidir an rud ceannann céanna a mhaíomh i leith na Gaeilge, bail ó dhia uirthi!

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Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 02:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Scríobh Riona:

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I think that there is a difference between talking about how sexy something is, like Irish, and making unnecessary sexual comments about things. I assume we all agree on this front, well, the most of us do. After all, we're all talking about the language being sexy but most of us have not made any comments that are construed to be vulgar, with the noted exception that we are refering to.



Well put... And if most of us are in agreement here, maybe we could all get back to the topic? Perhaps a new thread could be started if people would like to debate what is considered appropriate on Daltaí?

*ahem*

So it seems that the answer could be a combination of some or all the following:

1. The actual nature of the language itself - the sounds, how it looks, etc.

2. Assumptions made about those who speak it - "The Irish are strong and independent."

3. Basic human interest in something different, foreign or unique?

Tá? Ní? ...Aloha?

(Message edited by aaron on May 20, 2006)

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Hi. I am a dabbler on this site. Táim ag foghlaim na Gaeilge ach ni thigim mórán. I do have an opinion about the "lewd" comments and want to address what Riona said about politics. I have been on several list serves where politics and other cerebral topics were banned while "lewd" comments were not. I felt that if there was going to be free speech or not then it should be uniform. It is sad that we cannot talk politics just because there have been posts that were written by someone trying to insult and rattle people not to talk reasonably about the conflicts of our times. Any site that I spend my time reading (instead of cooking or reading or being with my child) should stimulate my mind and add to my development.

As for censorship here is my vague say on that matter. Censorship is never good and there are no clear rules on what can be spoken but there are cultural norms. For example while it is not illegal to pick one's nose while eating lunch with a friend, it is unacceptable. I believe that Robert has a sort of disability in that he does not pick up social cues. It is clear to me that this site is not a place for his comments. Just as my workplace is not the place for many things which I am open with at home. I found his comments gross and I believe that this is the general consensus. Robert may find many places in his life where such comments are the norm, and socially acceptable. He should humbly accept the desires of the group and not defend his comments but rather "agree to disagree" and get back on track now that he knows what is acceptable.

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Riona
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Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 08:09 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Robert,

The only reason that we're focusing on you is because you are the one who is well-known for making questionable comments, its not because we don't like you. Obviously kids talk dirty, we all know that, no news there. Its just that this doesn't need to be a place that encourages that. Having said that you do provide lots of important information and valuable suggestions, I'm still greatfull for some of the help you've given me in the past.

A Chaoimhin, I guess I don't give you enough credit. It would be quite hard to determine what is suitable for an audience from all over and with so many different standards of what is exceptable.

Aaron, I liked you senopsis, it was quite well thought out.

And I don't like generalized name-calling by the way.

Beir bua agus beannacht.

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Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:35 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think Irish is the most sensual because it has a way of flowing off the tongue, all the words seem to come together, not like in English. All of those "annoying" rules of eclipsis and lenition are the cause. They change the words in accordance with the words before them to string them along. That's what makes na Gaelige so special!

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All I know is that my girlfriend (tá sí ag foghlaim Gaeilge freisin by the way) just thinks its a sexy langauge, apparently its to do with the rhythym of the language. For example when you compare Irish to Welsh (tá mé a foghlaim Breathnais agus labhraíonn sí Breathnais) Irish is much softer and flows more easily. For example 'I love you' in Welsh is rwy'n dy garu di (roo-een duh garry dee), lots of hard consonants, compare that with tá grá agam duit, where only the 't' is hard.

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Riona
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Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:41 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

That's grand that you guys are learning together, then you can talk to each other in it to practice. And since she thinks its sexy and you're learning it she'll think you're more attractive than ever.

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Tá súil agam. And you're right it is handy to have someone to talk to, where I was living in England before I went to university there were only about five people around with enough Irish to hold a basic conversation, and only one was fluent (I realise that's still a good few people). Thank God for Buntús Cainte!



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