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Dubhghaill
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Username: Dubhghaill

Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2005


Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 04:16 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

An samhradh seo thugann, táim ag fanacht i nGaeltacht Chorcha Dhuibhne. Is maith liom a foghlaim an canúint Mumhain. Tá fáilte roimh aon cuidiú.

Tá a fhios agam: (correct me if I'm wrong please)
Endings:
Present: -im, -nn, sé/sí, -imíd, -nn sibh, -id
Past: -os, (e)s, sé/sí, -omair, -obhair, -odar
Future: -ad, -ir, sé/sí, -imíd, sibh, -id
Conditional: -inn, -ifeá, sé/sí, -imíst, sibh, -idíst

any for habtual past, or h. present?

Eclipses:
eclipse after prepositions + article, thus "ag an ndoras" not standard "ag an doras"

De + Do:
confusions of 'de' and 'do' into a single, all purpose preposition of 'do', which eclipses when 'don'

Past do:
rare, but sometimes still use 'do' before past tense verbs (as remains in vowel verbs in other dialects like d'ól mé). Thus "Do dhíolas" not "Dhíol mé"

Go:
use of 'go' instead of 'a' as a conjunction, thus "fear go chonas" instead of "fear a chonaic mé"

Any additions would be fantastic, it took me ages of searching just to find this scant info, scattered across all the net. It would be nice to have a simple page learners could reference to, instead of hours of searching. As I said, any help or corrections are more than welcome, as I really want to master this dalect.
-GRMA

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Róman
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Username: Róman

Post Number: 194
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 02:54 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Several comments:

past:
endings are -(e)as, -(a)is, -, -(e)amair, -(e)abhair, -(e)adar
due to spelling reform the second conjugation has now different set (although previously it was exactly as above):
-íos, -ís, -igh, -íomair, -íobhair, -íodar

Examples:

1st conjugation (slender stem):

do chuireas, do chuiris, do chuir sé, do chuireamair, do chuirebhair, do chuireadar

1st conjugation (broad stem)

do ghlanas, do ghlanais, do ghlan sé, do ghlanamair, do ghlanabhair, do ghlanadar

2nd conjugation:

do cheannaíos, do cheannaís, do cheannaigh sé (pronounced as if spelled "do cheanna sé"), do cheannaíomair, do cheannaíobhair, do cheannaíodar

Re eclipsis after preposition - "SA" always lenites, even "s-": sa tseomra, sa tsamhradh, sa tsráid

Re go: it is used only in indirect relative sentences, so your example is wrong:

in Munster "an fear a chonac" - "the fear I saw"

go is used like "whose" - an fear go chonac a mhac - "a man whose son I have seen".

Additions:
irregular verbs differ from caighdeán:

In Munster - deinim (pronounced dinim) - I do. In the past - "do dheineas" and so on.

"see" in present - cím, cíonn tú, cíonn sé, címíd, cíonn sibh, cíd/ cíonn siad

"see" in the past: chonac (pronounced chnuc), chonaicís (chnoicís), chonaic (chnoic), chonaicemair, chonaicebhair, chonaicedar

"hear" in the past - chuala, chualaís, chuala, chualamair etc

the verb aighrím - is used instead of "cloisim" very often

Word freisin is not used, rather "leis". Ar ais = thar n-ais

Ámhar mór ort

(Message edited by Róman on April 27, 2006)



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