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Pádraigín V. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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Hi!, I'm new to irish and I'd like o know what would be the translation to my surname to irish, it is Villar. Go raibh maith agat! |
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Maidhc_Ó_g
Member Username: Maidhc_Ó_g
Post Number: 123 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 08:08 pm: |
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The best I could find on this name is that it is likely of Norman or French origin coming from the Latin 'villare' (outlying farm, dependant settlement). The name 'Villiers' is listed in the back of "The Surnames of Ireland" by Edward MacLysacht in its addenda. It says that its of Scottish origin ; prominent in Co Leix since the sixteenth century. I'm not sure how I'd go about translating that into Irish. |
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Robert (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:20 am: |
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Villar Pretend it is a personal name 'Millar' Milliar in nominative Mhillir in the genetive Mag 'son of' pretend it is in the declension for a lention Mag Mhillir /@g viL'ir'/ MaViller in English |
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Pádraigín (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 09:30 am: |
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thank you very much!!! I am very gratefully. Thank you both.Pádraigín |
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Fiacc (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 01:09 pm: |
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A Phádraigín, Villar is not an Irish name. Proper names which are foreign are not translated into Irish. The same is true for all languages as far as I know. For instance, in Irish language news bulletins George Bush is not translated as Seoirse Sceach but remains George Bush. Anyway, if your surname is a variant of the name Villiers, you may have an interesting lineage. Robert FitzRoy was captain of the Beagle, the ship which brought Charles Darwin on that famous voyage to the Gallapagos islands. FitzRoy was descended from the Dukes of Grafton, a favoured though illegitimate branch of royalty, from a liaison between Barbara Villiers and King Charles 11. For generations the Graftons were at the highest level of British society. They were members of the Royal Court, they were high-ranking Tories in governmment, they owned great estates in England and Ireland. (Dublin's most fashionable street is called Grafton Street but I'm just guessing it was called after the same family). They legislated and they controlled. Irrelevant I know, but interesting, is it not? The above information is taken from 'Evolution's Captain' by Peter Nichols. Go n-éirigh leat leis an Ghaeilge! |
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Argyllsdad
Member Username: Argyllsdad
Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 03:20 pm: |
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Can any one please help me with the pronouncing "McElroy",or have any other info on it. Thank you |
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Robert (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:14 pm: |
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M@kelroy @ as in the first part of 'ah' Do it in one sweep (as it is pronounced where I come from) |
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Robert (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:15 pm: |
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I am aware that such names tend not to be naturalised, but I see no reason not to |
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Fiacc (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:41 pm: |
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Do scríobh Robert: "I am aware that such names tend not to be naturalised, but I see no reason not to." Why? Would you Gaelicise Jacques Chirac, Angela Merkel, Osama Bin Laden, Beyonce, Tony Blair? |
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Lucy (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:54 pm: |
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Wouldn't Jacques MacChirac have a lovely ring to it! Why would anyone want to deny their own heritage to assume a name that wouldn't fool anyone? Making up an ethnic name results in a bastardized form with no meaning or heritage. Be who you are - what's wrong with that? |
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Maidhc_Ó_g
Member Username: Maidhc_Ó_g
Post Number: 124 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 09:14 am: |
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(Mac)Gilroy -Mac Giolla Rua (rua,red). Also anglicized MacElroy and MacIlroy in Ulster (Ballymacilroy is in Co. Fermanagh) and Kilroy in Connacht. Mac Giolla Rua - Approx. Mc 'Gill-uh 'Roo-uh |
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