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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2006 (January-February) » Archive through January 22, 2006 » Need help with a surname « Previous Next »

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Pádraigín V. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 04:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi!, I'm new to irish and I'd like o know what would be the translation to my surname to irish, it is Villar.
Go raibh maith agat!

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Maidhc_Ó_g
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Post Number: 123
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The best I could find on this name is that it is likely of Norman or French origin coming from the Latin 'villare' (outlying farm, dependant settlement).
The name 'Villiers' is listed in the back of "The Surnames of Ireland" by Edward MacLysacht in its addenda. It says that its of Scottish origin ; prominent in Co Leix since the sixteenth century.
I'm not sure how I'd go about translating that into Irish.

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Robert (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Villar

Pretend it is a personal name 'Millar'

Milliar in nominative

Mhillir in the genetive

Mag 'son of'

pretend it is in the declension for a lention

Mag Mhillir

/@g viL'ir'/

MaViller in English

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Pádraigín (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 09:30 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

thank you very much!!! I am very gratefully. Thank you both.Pádraigín

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Fiacc (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 01:09 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

A Phádraigín,

Villar is not an Irish name. Proper names which are foreign are not translated into Irish. The same is true for all languages as far as I know. For instance, in Irish language news bulletins George Bush is not translated as Seoirse Sceach but remains George Bush.

Anyway, if your surname is a variant of the name Villiers, you may have an interesting lineage. Robert FitzRoy was captain of the Beagle, the ship which brought Charles Darwin on that famous voyage to the Gallapagos islands. FitzRoy was descended from the Dukes of Grafton, a favoured though illegitimate branch of royalty, from a liaison between Barbara Villiers and King Charles 11. For generations the Graftons were at the highest level of British society. They were members of the Royal Court, they were high-ranking Tories in governmment, they owned great estates in England and Ireland. (Dublin's most fashionable street is called Grafton Street but I'm just guessing it was called after the same family). They legislated and they controlled.

Irrelevant I know, but interesting, is it not? The above information is taken from 'Evolution's Captain' by Peter Nichols.

Go n-éirigh leat leis an Ghaeilge!

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Argyllsdad
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 03:20 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Can any one please help me with the pronouncing "McElroy",or have any other info on it.

Thank you

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Robert (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

M@kelroy

@ as in the first part of 'ah'

Do it in one sweep (as it is pronounced where I come from)

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Robert (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:15 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I am aware that such names tend not to be naturalised, but I see no reason not to

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Fiacc (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:41 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Do scríobh Robert: "I am aware that such names tend not to be naturalised, but I see no reason not to."

Why? Would you Gaelicise Jacques Chirac, Angela Merkel, Osama Bin Laden, Beyonce, Tony Blair?

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Lucy (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:54 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Wouldn't Jacques MacChirac have a lovely ring to it! Why would anyone want to deny their own heritage to assume a name that wouldn't fool anyone? Making up an ethnic name results in a bastardized form with no meaning or heritage. Be who you are - what's wrong with that?

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Maidhc_Ó_g
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 09:14 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

(Mac)Gilroy -Mac Giolla Rua (rua,red). Also anglicized MacElroy and MacIlroy in Ulster (Ballymacilroy is in Co. Fermanagh) and Kilroy in Connacht.

Mac Giolla Rua - Approx. Mc 'Gill-uh 'Roo-uh



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