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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 918 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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"Ba" is the past tense of "Is". It was a dog. Ba mhadra é. It causes a séimhiú: Ba gharda é. Ba bhean í. Ba mhúinteoir é. Ba mhaith liom subh. Before a vowel it becomes "b'": B'fhéidir liom snámh. B'asal é. B'aoibhinn liom dul go Luimneach. B'ait an cailín í. Except when you have "é", "í", "iad" (or their emphatic forms): Ba é Seán an ceannaire. Ba í Máire an mháthair. Ba iad Niamh agus Pól na páistí. I want to clarify when "ba" becomes "ab". I was taught the following at school: Seán is the oldest boy in the class. Is é Seán an buachaill is sine sa rang. Seán was the oldest boy in the class, before Pól came. Ba é Seán an buachaill ba shine sa rang, roimh theacht do Phóil. Máire is the most beautiful girl in the class. Is í Máire an cailín is áille sa rang. Máire was the most beautiful girl in the class, before Sinéad came. Ba í Máire an cailín ab áille sa rang, roimh theacht do Shinéad. Does every dialect use "ab" in the above sentence? What about in the following: Seán is ainm do. Seán ab ainm dó. Does every dialect use "ab" in the above sentence? Feirmeoir is ea é Seán Feirmeoir ab ea é Seán. I've seen many written examples of "Feirmeoir ba ea é Seán", so I presume this is dialectal? Before a vowel, you have "b'" in direct speech, and "ab" in indirect speech. Is this correct? One thing though, I notice that when you want to express "taller, bigger, more beautiful", you use "b'" instead of "ab": Bhí Máire go hálainn. Ba í Máire an cailín ab áille sa rang. Bhí Máire ní b'álainn ná Sinéad. (rather than "ní ab álainn") Is all of the above right? I see that some dialects are more particular about when they séimhiú after "ba", and also about when they turn "gur" into "gurb". Would many dialects say: Deir sé gurb amadán é. Or would more say: Deir sé gur amadán é. Finally, is there any particular circumstances in which people use "go mba" instead of "gur, gurbh" or are they equivalent? Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 1187 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:21 am: |
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Seán is ainm do. Seán ab ainm dó. Does every dialect use "ab" in the above sentence? Donegal dialect does. Feirmeoir is ea é Seán Feirmeoir ab ea é Seán. I have learnt that this kind of sentence is typical of Munster dialect. Tír Chonaill abú!
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Maidhc_Ó_g
Member Username: Maidhc_Ó_g
Post Number: 113 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
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Wouldn't the second examples be questions, just using different word order? Ba Máire an cailín (ab áille?) sa rang. |
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Max
Member Username: Max
Post Number: 281 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:29 pm: |
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>>Wouldn't the second examples be questions, just using different word order? They are relative clauses. |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 1188 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 07:34 am: |
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Ba Máire an cailín (ab áille?) sa rang. The right sentence would be "Ba í Máire an cailín ab áille sa rang." Tír Chonaill abú!
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Maidhc_Ó_g
Member Username: Maidhc_Ó_g
Post Number: 114 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 10:20 pm: |
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Aw yes, I've found that now guys. Grma. "Comparitive degrees of adjectives with past tenses or conditional". "When a sentence is in the past tense or conditional,ní ba frequently replaces níos in a comparison, and ba replaces is in the superlative." - Ó Siadhail Learning Irish Ch 32.6. |
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