Haló a dhaoine,
Could you cast your experience on this, le bhur dtoil?
I'm want to translate 'fortress of the wolf' for someone and need to know if it's Mactíre or Mac Tíre. Tómás De Bhaldraithe has it as the one word 'Mactíre' which would mean 'Mhictíre' in the genitive.
Daingean an mhictíre - Fortress of the wolf.
Is this acceptable?

I've checked two different dictionaries and both of them say it's written as two words (which is normal for Irish, as opposed to english where you have "schoolbag", "school bag", "school-bag").

I'd prefer:

Daingean Mhac na Tíre

though maybe you'd have:

Daingean an Mhic Thíre

There is a less euphemistic word for wolf - faolchú

I'd prefer Daingean an Mhic Tíre
or
Daingean an Faolchú
in older Irish
Daingean an Faolchon
or simply
Dún Faolchú

(Message edited by aonghus on November 25, 2005)

Anyway, you can't have "Daingean an Faolchú", Aonghus: cf genitive case, lenition of the initial consonant of masculine singular noun after the article:

--> Daingean an Fhaolchú, Daingean an Fhaolchon...

cf New Irish Grammar p. 12, § 1 (b).

Ceart agat. Bhí sé ró luath ar maidin. Tá sorry orm, mar a deir siad i gConamara.

Grma a chairde,
It'd be nice if nouns beginning with 'F' didn't lenite - as they just get lost in speech to me :) - Dún an fhaolchú srl..
Dún Faolchú - Is maith liom an ceann seo.
So, just to check folks,
lenition on masculine genitive only when preceded by the definite article?
Grma arís

quote:

It'd be nice if nouns beginning with 'F' didn't lenite - as they just get lost in speech to me

I've noticed that what should be 'fh' or "bhf" often shows up in casual speech and writing as an unmutated 'f'. A lot of people seem unconfortable with its mutations. NB: This is just a vague, unscientific observation! And I'm sure (pace Lughaidh) that Gaeltacht-speakers would never commit such a solecism!

Ceart agat. Bhí sé ró luath ar maidin. Tá sorry orm, mar a deir siad i gConamara.

Cha ndéanaimse a leithéid de mheancóg, fiú má tá fonn trom codlata orm agus teip ar mo shúile. Cá’ bith.

A bhuachaillí, ná bígí ag iarraidh troda a chur ar a chéile. Éirígí as, nó caithfidh mé sibh a sheoladh chun oifig an phríomhoide arís!!

"Faolchú neimhe d'éis an áir
tarla dhi—dia do neambáidh—
tug ar an gcoin créacht go neimh;
a goin níor bh'éacht i n-aisgidh.
Tuitid ar-aon—anba an ghomh;
do dhoirt sí fuil na faolchon
's do dhoirt an faolchú a fuil
gér ghoirt le caomhchrú Charrthaigh."

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G402141/text001.html

An-deas, a Pheadar, ach beagáinín deacair domhsa.

An bhfuil an focal faolchú baineann sa dán, nó an amhlaidh gur faolchú baineann atá i gceist?

Faolchú ... tarla dhi
fuil na faolchon

Is dóigh liom gur "fuil na bhfaolchon" atá ann, ach ag an am sin, is minic nach scríobhfaí na huruithe...

Is chuige seo atá mé: faolchú (uimhir uatha) ach "fuil na (bh)faolchon"

"An bhfuil an focal faolchú baineann sa dán

Tá, sin nó tá an dá inscne "measctha" ann, ar an ádhbhar adubhairt Dennis: mar gheall ar an f-.
__________

Faol-chú, g. -chon, d. -choin, pl. -choin, f., a wolf; a wild dog; a brave warrior (smt. m.).

— Dinneen
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fàsach, fàsaich, fàsaichean, s.m. (except gen. sing. which is feminine, but feminine in all cases in Badenoch). Desert, wilderness, solitude, desolation. 2. Mountain, hill, "forest." 3. Stubble. 4. Choice pasture. 5. Edge, border. 6. Mark, spot. 7. Grassy headland of a ploughed field. Fàsach fiadhaich, a terrible wilderness; féidh na fàsaich, the forest deer; luchd-còmhnuidh na fàsaich, the dwellers of the desert.

— Edward Dwelly, "The Illustrated Gaelic-English Dictionary"

Faol-chú, g. -chon, d. -choin, pl. -choin, f., a wolf; a wild dog; a brave warrior (smt. m.).

Tá sin aistíoch, ar an ábhar go bhfuil "cú" firinscneach...

Scríobh Dennis:

I've noticed that what should be 'fh' or "bhf" often shows up in casual speech and writing as an unmutated 'f'. A lot of people seem unconfortable with its mutations. NB: This is just a vague, unscientific observation!

I've observed this, too, and not just among learners, but with native speakers as well. I don't know if this has always been the case, or whether it's a more recent phenomena due to excessive exposure to English speakers. This is my own vague, unscientific impression, of course, but I wonder if others have noticed this as well?

I wouldn't say it's universal -- some speakers lenite and eclipse exactly as one would expect -- but it seems to occur frequently enough regarding the "f" to have caught my attention.