An raibh éinne ann?
Bhíos féin ann agus fuaireas gach rud ar cheamara.. Endy Kenny agus an FG Murder Machine ag rith uainn ach go háirithe.. The argonant man wouldn't even listen to what our speakers had to say. What does that say?

Nuair a dúirt mé "Fine Gall - Treátúirí - Ar ais go Sasanna libh" Chas siad timpeall agus iontas na n-iontas an cuma a bhí ar a n-aghaidh..As if i was wrong or something. Bhí Fergus O'Dowd - Seanmhúinteoir Gaeilge ó Dhroichead Atha, Co.Lu ann agus é ag tabhairt a thachaíocht dó >:v

Ba cheart náire an domhain a bheith orthu..

This new policy will be implemented over my dead body.
This policy is only one step up from what the Brits did. Meath na Gaeilge - episode 2 return of Fine Gall here we come..
The only parties who didn't have banners there were The Greens and the PD's.
Labour had a banner saying " Ní Saoirse go Saoirse " Surprising.. But then again Labour youth are more radical and republican then Ogra Shinn Féin..
The only TD's to join the march were two Sinn Féin TD's Arthur Morgan from Louth and Martin Ferris from Kerry. Once again showing Sinn Féin are the party to ensure Gaeilge's future go deo like it or lump it!
I'm hardly one to advocate my love for Bertie but he did say to Enda that he and his party wanted to increase the number of Gaeilgeoirí and Enda's policy would decrease the number so he totally opposed it :)

I'd say there was more like 200 people there.. That's not including the 50 others from St.Pats who wished to march behind the main crowd.

Do not under-estimate the power this could have to our language.. Getting rid of the langauge is not the solution but a vast overhaul of our syllabus and way of teaching.
Anyone who votes for them who loves Gaeilge should have their head examined.

The one good thing they've done is open the debate that we so often complain about - Gaeilge in our education system and of course the question of Gaeilge in the future..it also reignited a sort of athbheochan and made gaeilgeoirí even more certain of how precious our language is and how we must fight to ensure she grows.

Has anyone heard from An t-Aire O'Cuív?

* Enda Kenny Enda Kenny tá tú imithe ar strae *
* Teanga Teanga Teanga.. Beo Beo Beo!!! *

"Once again showing Sinn Féin are the party to ensure Gaeilge's future go deo like it or lump it!"

It show's SF's desire to jump on every single bandwagon not matter how crazy or tiny it might be.

(PS. I'm not saying the protest was crazy but I think you're being a bit harsh on Enda, most of the rest of what he said was fair enough, béim(cad é béim as Béarla?) ar béaloideachas srl. However, beidh mé ag vótáil do chách sula vótfaidh mé do Fhine Gael agus ní vótaim riamh)

Dalta, in your posting above, you used the abbreviation "srl" which I have been meaning to find out what it stands for as I have forgotten. Can you tell me what it means? Thanks.

It's agus araile or as Bearla et cetera (etc)

Sa nuacht, "Dúirt Gerry Adams inniu":

"Rinneamar blah blah agus, ah, agus, ah, agus...

agus..
ah
agus..
ah
agus..
ah

foghlaim cheart, le do thoil

(to use 'le do thoil' that way)

foghlaim cheart?

Learn justice?

;P at you roibeard..

"It show's SF's desire to jump on every single bandwagon not matter how crazy or tiny it might be."

Such could be said about every party over almost every issue.

I ask you this then... If they're just doing it for the craic then..
Why is SF the only party in Ireland *communist party has no elected reps* that has it's website as Gaeilge?
Why is almost everything the party does, done on a bilingual basis?
Why does the Party leader advocate the need to revitalise the language as the main spoken language in his speechs, books, policies.
Why is Gerry Adams the only party leader to wear his Fáinne Oir ALWAYS?
Why was Arthur Morgan (SF TD for Co.Louth) the only elected rep at a cross-party debate in DCU to address the crowd as Gaeilge?
Why were SF reps the only reps to attend the protest?
Do you think that children come up to Bertie ahern or pat rabbitte and speak Gaeilge... Children in West Belfast do it to Gerry the whole time.

Look pet i know what i'm talking about. I know the party. I know the people and policies. And i know that if anyone cares enough to change the field of play don Ghaeilge Sinn Féin are the people to do it.
Take it or leave it - A vote for Sinn Féin is a vote for Gaeilge
As the party leaflets at the last election said;
"Is í slánú na Gaeilge athghabháil na Saoirse"
I don't care about Kenny. I believe wholeheartedly that if his policy was implemented our language would suffer another hard blow. He is wrong and i will work on any possible level to oppose it and show him and FG what to change.

This whole debate is good though one must admit.. If all the parties change their policy and the education system is changed i'll be a happy camper, our language will grow and perhaps we can begin to change the tide of Eire turning into a mirror of Britain.

When Gerry Adams visited our campus in Connecticut he spoke in Irish to all who spoke to him in Irish and he even spoke Irish along with English in his speech to the mostly non-Irish speaking audience. Those of you in Ireland would no more than me, but when I spoke with him as Gaeilge I thought that he felt deeply about the Irish language and its place in Ireland's affairs. He wore his Fáinne Oir also while I imagine most in the audience did not know what it was.

You see... I speak the truth... The man is a legend... Saoirse's the name - Political, socially and of course culturally.
Sinn Féin care about Gaeilge.. Many people here in Eirinn don't, many people in the political parties dont. The continued decline of our language in our society is testament to this.

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Why is Gerry Adams the only party leader to wear his Fáinne Oir ALWAYS?

Mí chruinn, a mhic. Caitheann Trevor ceann i gconaí freisin - agus tá sé níos líofa.

Ach is fíor go bhfuil an cuma ar an scéil go bhfuil croí Gerry sa cheist. Agus feck na begrudgers.

(Message edited by aonghus on November 21, 2005)

"foghlaim cheart?

Learn justice?"

Damn it, sentance generator, bhí tú i do bhrealláin trí lá o shin, a mhic. And just when I was giving the impression I knew what I was talking about...

-Not mixing up adjectives with nouns-, the program gives thus : foghlaim é ceart

"Look pet i know what i'm talking about."

PET? Listen duckie....

So will Gerry give the proceeds of the northern bank robbery, distilleries, conterfeiting operations etc to an Ghaeilge?

"Why is Gerry Adams the only party leader to wear his Fáinne Oir ALWAYS?"

I don't know why? Maybe An Fáinne is some sort of terrorist organisation?

Maybe because he's trying to win votes, a Dhomhnaill? Irish is popular, every party gives lip-service to it. If it came to it and SF got into power, do you think they'd take the radical steps neccesary to revive Irish if it meant losing them a few seats? I doubt it, SF are terrorist-backing pikeys and I'll certainly never trust them on anything.

Sentance (!)
Sea tá mé i mo dhuckie agus..??

Well if Gerry adams robbed the northern bank, which of course he didn't i'd hope he'd give the money back. The same for all of the criminal methods you speak of.
Our unionist neighbours - our minister for justice included seem to know who robbed the bank so i hope they stop talking and arrest whoever did it.
You see too many people just believe what they want to. If you think someone in my party did - - Please tell me who, how and why.. And of course i'm sure you'd had even the smallest piece of evidence.. If not, cop on to yourself and stop being so easily hoodwinked by "Independent" Newsgroup and stop being so god-damn naive.

And it's An f-H-áinne pet.. Well if people who wish to promote our language are considered terrorists then I'm a "terrorist" and pretty much everyone else here is too tú féin ina measc.

Politicans *apart from me of course* would say anything to get a vote.. But i know the man. And NOBODY that i have come across has done so much to promote our language in every aspect of his life - political, social etc.. Because of his dedication (which people who don't like him still accept) I'm sure he'd take the radical steps needed.

Because it's such a popular issue Sinn Féin only gain seats from it. Not lose a few seats as you put it.. No party would ever loose votes over a positive Gaeilge policy and as such your question is irrelevant.

I ask you - open your minds.. Look beyond the Sunday Independent headlines, The McDowell accusations, the DUP tripe and look to a brighter future for An Ghaeilge - amongst other things - with Sinn Féin in government.

Tá ár lá ag teacht.

"Our unionist neighbours - our minister for justice included seem to know who robbed the bank so i hope they stop talking and arrest whoever did it. "

I'm aware its a political peil, so to speak. No I don't believe 'Independant News' at at

"stop being so god-damn naive"

I'm not. I meant what I said about the robbery jocularly

"And it's An f-H-áinne pet.."

I thought it was a masculine noun, so I did not lenite after a simple preceeding of the def art. The genitive in certain constructions it would lenite as in 'X an fháinne', but I believe I'm right. If I were but a native like yerself...

As for independance newspapers, a friend of mine who was verbally attacked by the Russians I menationed before, phoned at editor of the Evening Herald after they ran a story about the IRA thugs who attacked the 'defenceless foreigners'. My friend was told in no uncertain terms what occured that night by this Dublin 'D4' prick. However he forgot to menton that 40 Russian were routinly blocking peoples entry into pubs, hitting them, and been abusive. The poeple who hit out were Sinn Féin sympathisers, but not, to my knowledge, IRA members. Neither were all of them even in the Sinn Féin party. Sinn Féin has its least support in Leitrim of any border county, either side. Other border or near border areas have MPs and TDs returned to the Dáil or Westminister, town majors etc

So yes, I know independant news make up much of thier headlines. Also, on McDowell he has had as many as 5 detectives in Roosky guarding his private property (24/7 illegally built I might add) for most of the last year because a small hole appeared in a window. He cited IRA machine gun attack, then it was shot gun pellets, but no evidence did he produce (neither grain, hole, nor spend cart). So take it I trust nothing they say either...

"I meant what I said about the robbery jocularly"

It's impossible to know when people are making a joke if "LOL" etc isn't used.. Dála an scéil, everyone in Sinn Féin thinks it's Hilarious that McDowell accuses us of robbing the bank..

I just made sure - thanks to wingléacht - that yes Fáinne is indeed feminine. As such, deirtear "cá'il an fháinne?"

McDowell is a joke. If there's one person i hope doesn't get elected it's him.

Interestingly enough i asked the Cathaoirleach of Fianna Fáil who does he think will make the next govt he said SF & FF.. Take from that what you like. Having said that if you took the members of political parties from DCU alone

There'd be no ;
PD'S, GREENS, SOCIALISTS, INDEPEND'S,
Labour would be 8-10% of the vote.
Fine Gael would have between 15-20% of the vote.
Fianna Fáil would have 20-25% of the vote.
And yes that's right A Chairde - -
Sinn Féin would have 50% of the vote more or less!

That's a fact and was published in our college paper.. In all fairness we're the only party who actually does anything..
Our continued growth (in the 32 counties and the 190% growth in DCU members) can only mean good things..

"If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything."

"The road to freedom is paved with suffering, hardships, and torture , carry on my gallant and brave comrades until that certain day…"

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And it's An f-H-áinne pet..

quote:

I thought it was a masculine noun, so I did not lenite after a simple preceeding of the def art. The genitive in certain constructions it would lenite as in 'X an fháinne', but I believe I'm right. If I were but a native like yerself...

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I just made sure - thanks to wingléacht - that yes Fáinne is indeed feminine. As such, deirtear "cá'il an fháinne?"

Incorrect.

"Fáinne", like 99% of nouns which end in a vowel, is masculine.

an fáinne
X an fháinne

na fainní
X na bhfáinní

Tá "fainne" (ainmfhocal gan an síneadh fada, ón aidiacht "fann") baininscneach. Caithfidh sé gur fhág Domhnall an síneadh fada ar lár nuair a chuardaidh sé an focal.

I wouldnt say the it was the northern bank robbery but more like the "great northern repatriation of funds scheme". Where did all the money in the bank come from in the first place? i know im being a bit facetious here but if you dont know read the great fraud of ulster.

IRA - commited scores of murders upon innocent civilians through out the 30 years of the 'troubles'
SF - members were members of the IRA, evidence suggests that leaders were leaders of the IRA. Publicly defended the IRA and their campaign.

I never said SF were terrorists, but their terrorist backers and the many SF people I've come across weren't the most savoury people in the world. That and the fact that they're part of almost every social campaign known to man, regardless of its aims, makes me not trust them. Plus, I wouldn't trust their economics. PD economics is the way to go, if only they weren't right wing evilers.

Agus: An Fáinne.

As a reminder,

this board is for discussion of the Irish language, not political issues.

In the past, many of these hybrid discussions, not surprisingly, have devolved into flame wars having nothing to do with Gaeilge and everything to do with Irish politics. While the two topics can be related, they are not inexorably intertwined and it is more than possible to discuss one without the other.

Discussions about Gaeilge and politics have their place, just not here.

Go raibh maith agaibh,

Caoimhín

Fair enough i wouldn't even want to respond to people with such narrow-minded and naive opinions.

“Nuair a leáfas an gheir sínfidh an fáinne agus tollfaidh an dá ghob ghéara an bheithir go gcuire chun báis í.”

— Seán Ó Ruadháin “An Mothall Sin Ort”
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“Béidh an fáinne ag éirghe mór agus ag éirghe mór ar fad agus nuair a thiocfas an teine mhór an fad sin rachaidh sí thart leat gan dochar a dheánamh.”

— Séamus 'ac Grianna “Nuair a Bhí Mé Óg”
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“Ar feadh tamaill, bhí sé mar bhí Oisín nuair a chuir sé an fáinne ar a mhéar, agus d'éirigh sé n'fhear úr óg arís.”

— Séamus 'ac Grianna “Rann na Feirste”
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“Bhí an fáinne draoidheachta aige, ar ndóighe, acht ní rabh ór ar bith aige.”

— Séamus 'ac Grianna “Saoghal Corrach “
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“Agus bhí mise taobh amuigh de imeall an fháinne sin.”

— Séamus 'ac Grianna “Scéal Úr agus Sean-Scéal”
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“Go díreach mar d'éirigh do Oisín nuair fuair sé an fáinne draoidheachta sa bheinn agus chuir sé ar a mhéar é.”

— Séamus 'ac Grianna “Bean Ruadh de Dhálach”
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“Choimheád siad an t-sean-bhean ag geárradh an fháinne ins an ghainimh.”

— Seosamh 'ac Grianna “Dochartach Dhuibhlionna”
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“Dar le duine gur dhruid an spéir anuas ar chúl an fháinne sin, agus go rabh sí ag tabhairt bhreitheamhnais ar an dá shluagh a bhí ina luighe annsin ag brath a dhul i ndeabhaidh le chéile.”

— Seosamh 'ac Grianna “Eoghan Ruadh Ó Néill”
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“Is cuimhin liom Pádraic a theacht isteach i n-Árus an Fháinne agus an-ghlór a dhéanamh a bhí chomhair a bheith cosamhail le meidhleach uain.”

— Seosamh 'ac Grianna “Pádraic Ó Conaire agus Aistí Eile”
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“Agus is é an áit a bhfuil an éagcosamh-lacht, ins an aoirde a bhíos ina n-astar. an fáinne is aoirde is é is deise do Dhia.”

— Seosamh 'ac Grianna “Ben-Hur”
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“Goidé an fáinne a bhfuil tú ag cainnt air?”

— Seosamh 'ac Grianna “Dith Céille Almayer”
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“Acht bíodh geall gur gasta a sciobfas tú an fáinne óir de mhéar an chuirp agus an tais-éadach mar ghní tú i gcomhnaidhe!”

— Seaghán 'ac Meanman “Crathadh an Phocáin”
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“Tchí tú an fáinne ar a bharr?”

— Tadhg Ó Rabhartaigh “Thiar i nGleann Ceo”

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/tobar/

"an éagcosamh-lacht"

an éagcosamhlacht

Tá cupla focal a bhfuil inscne dhifriúil acu i gcanúintí. Mar shampla: tá "asal" baininscneach i gCúige Uladh: deirtear "an easal, ha heasaile". Tá cupla focal eile mar sin. Caithfidh go bhfuil "fáinne" firinscneach i dTír Chonaill fosta (amharc ar na habairtí a luaigh Peadar thuas, is daoiní as Tír Chonaill a scríobh iad uilig, ach amháin a’ chéad duine b’fhéidir, níl a fhios agam é). Ní dóigh liom go ndéanfadh ’n Griannach meancóg ar bith: má bhí Gaeilg ag duine in Éirinn is aige sin a bhí.

Séard a tharla ansin ná gur chuir mé fainne isteach i Wingléacht seachas fáinne.
Ní ba léir go raibh dhá fhocal i gceist.
Ooops

i'D JUST LIKE TO LET DOMHNALL IN ON SOMETHING,DOMHNALL WHO SEEMS TO FANCY HIMSELF AS A CRUSADER FOR THE IRISH LANGUAGE ALTHOUGH HE HAS THE DISGUSTINGLY SNOBBY AND UNHELPFUL HABIT OF CORRECTING PEOPLE'S IRISH 'IT'S AN FHÁINNE PET'(THIS AN FÁINNE BUSINESS, AND HE WAS INCORRECT ANYWAY AS IT HAPPENS, PET). ENDA KENNY USED TO LIVE IN CONNAMARA, HE HAS BEAUTIFUL IRISH, PAT RABBITTE IS ALSO FROM THE WEST AND HIS OWN CHILDREN WERE EDUCATED THROUGH IRISH. SO THEREIN LIES THE ANSWER TO HIS IGNORANT QUESTION 'DO YOU THINK CHILDREN GO UP AND SPEAK IRISH TO ENDA KENNY OR PAT RABBITTE?' WORD OF ADVICE DOMHNALL, DÉAN DO CHUID TAIGHDE AMACH ANSEO, PET

So much for the "polite" part.

This thread is now closed.

Caoimhín