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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2005 (November-December) » Archive through November 21, 2005 » S - s' s' - s « Previous Next »

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James_murphy
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 08:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Unless I'm mistaken,when a word ending in a broad s preceeds a word beginning with a slender s they merge and become one slender s eg. "agus Seán" - ag@s'a:n.

So in a phrase like "bhris Sam" (slender s before broad) how would they be pronounced??

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 976
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 04:50 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Most of the time a broad s doesn't become slender if the following one is slender not the contrary
/ogəs s'æ:n/
/v'r'is' sam/

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Post Number: 401
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 06:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

s > under the influence of d', t', j, N', L', l', g', k'.

Examples—э∫ d'as is deas, gэ∫ t'ax boxt agus teach bocht, эgi∫ ja:r ∫iэd agus ghearr siad, эgi∫ N'i: mid'i: agus ní muide, ogi∫ L'ag agus leag, э∫ l'at is leat, э∫ g'il'э is gile, э∫ k'uN ós cionn.

When two consonants are identical or become identical in sandhi they coalesce and become a single consonant. The first merges with the second in one articulation. The resultant single consonant has extra length, and for this reason it is written double here and throughout.

Examples—эs m'ihэd dum is mithid damh, э tarэNt ta:rN'i: ag tarrainnt tairngí, э ni:m mir'э a Naomh-Muire, э∫ g'al' l'e∫ is geall leis, fo:∫ ∫e: phós sé, a∫ ∫in' as sin, э tun э huki∫ ∫i: an tan a thiocfas sí, ogi∫ ∫эu i: agus seo í.
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s replaces in sandhi in placenames beginning with Inis when the following word begins with a velar, e.g. Inis Gluaire in'эs gluэr'э, Inis Tuirc in'эs tirk', Inis Caorach in'эs ki:rэx.

— Éamonn Mhac an Fhailigh,
"The Irish of Erris, Co. Mayo"

Peadar Ó Gríofa

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 977
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 05:28 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

That isn't true for all dialects.

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Post Number: 403
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Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 02:35 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Neither is "Most of the time a broad s doesn't become slender if the following one is slender."

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