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Robert Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 07:39 am: |
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Dún Laoghaire /du:n Le:jr'@/ or /du:n Li:jr'@/ Woudl you do this: /du:n @ Le:jr'@/ as there must be time to shift from /n/ to /L/? Does this occur in other such scenario of lentis-fortis and vice versa? As an aside point, I feel the first vowel in /Laoghaire to be not quite /e:/ but a slightly different quality because of /j/. |
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Peter
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 09:17 am: |
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Hi! Don't think there can be an epithentic vowel. Consonant groups like that are not usually separated, there's no use. I mean I'd say [du:NLi:r'@], as n in dún is mostly pronounced broad in Conamara (except for Carna, e.g.). As for lenis-fortis or vice versa, I think assimilation will take place (most probably, fortis-fortis, as there are no examples of lenis-lenis clusters in Irish). If I'm not mistaken, gh followed by long vowels is simply omitted. Everywere. Peter |
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Robert Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 09:57 am: |
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Peter, anticipation /asimilation: I expect it may occur, and I think it is a very prevasive feature of Irish, so I would go for /N/ due to influecne of /L/ but for the sort of input of Lughaidh flying the banner of Gaeilge Dun na nGall! As for /j/ I think it may be articualted in Donegal, but it would not be the phonetic /j/ more of an allophone, methinks. I was a' driving there the other day and passed a village caled Fionach in the new orthography, but on the other side of the village, 'Fiodhnach', so you have /f'on(@)x/ vs /f'ijon(@)x/ |
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