A chairde,
I'm in the middle of preparing a motion for next years Ard Fheis and i want your help...

I want to know what you would like to see as a perfect political party policy *good alliteration ay?* for Gaeilge...
It need not be one thought but many.
(What does the Gaeltacht need? What needs to change in education? How do we impliment change that's needed for our new multi-cultural society without further harming Gaeilge? What services have we not got yet? etc etc)

Let your voice be heard.
'Sé Gaeilge caint na hEireann.

Domhnall.

Cén phairtí ff, fg, sf, rsf?

Smaointe ó BhAC

Dlí pacáiste (?) - basic products milk, bread, tea, coffee, breakfast cereals to have Irish as the main language on all packaging. An bhfuil cead againn é sin a dhéanamh san AE?

Govt. - some departments to be run entirely through Irish. An Roinn Airgeadais? Gnóthai Eachtracha? An Airm?

De-anglicisation of placenames. All legal place/townland names to be translated to Irish and the Irish form only used in legal documents as seo amach. Starting in Dublin

Cad a tharlódh má raibh saoránacht nó ceart cónaithe anseo ar fáil do gach duine a raibh Gaeilge líofa aige/aici?

Cuir ceist ar Éamon Ó Cuív - aigese atá an t-eolas, agus is dócha gurbh eisean a bhéas freagrach as sa chéad Rialtas eile chomh maith!

An t-aon toradh a bhéas ag an drong s'agatsa na an freasúra bunreachtúil a lagú.

1. >> What does the Gaeltacht need?

--- Galltacht a bhfuil borradh faoin nGaeilg inti, Galltacht a bhfuil teanga na Gaeilge le clos mar urlabhra sa Chúirt, sa Seanad agus sa Dáil. Tosóidh a leithéid sin i measc na cosmhuintire mar a thosaigh gach ní fónta le scór go leith blianta anuas, mar níor tugadh de cheannaireacht sa tír seo ach an tréad a leanacht. Tá dream a thugann polaiteoirí orthu féin ag amharc thar a leiceann ar phobalbhreitheanna gan fónamh ó na seascaidí i leith. Abair 'seasc' leo.

2. >> What needs to change in education?

--- Tuilleadh den phobal a thabhairt ar an tuairim nach bhfuil sa seanchóras scolaíochta Béarla atá i réim ach cur amú ama is acmhainne. Is é an Murder Machine ina leathbheo é. Le spreacadh a chur san óige, caithfear aisling a dteanga féin a bhronnadh orthu san aois aiceanta a fhoghlaimítear teangacha, .i. an naíscolaíocht is an Ghaelscolaíocht a leathnú ar fud Éireann sa tslí go mbeid in ann teangacha eile a tharraingt chucu féin sách luath.

3. >> How do we impliment change that's needed for our new multi-cultural society without further harming Gaeilge?

--- Féach pointe a dó agus an mhuintir isteach a mhisniú sna teangacha acu féin lena gcoinneáil is a gcothú abhus inár measc.

4. >>>> Dlí pacáiste (?) - basic products milk, bread, tea, coffee, breakfast cereals to have Irish as the main language on all packaging. An bhfuil cead againn é sin a dhéanamh san AE?

--- Baineann tábhacht le pacáistiú ceart go leor, ach measaim go gcaithfimid fanacht go bhfeice sinn an tslí a n-oibreoidh Acht na dTeangacha Oifigiúla ar na heagrais stáit sula dtabharfar faoi shaol na tráchtála.


Mar leis an ábhar seo, caith súil ar an alt faoi iamh le Jn. Walsh: http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/language/pdf/LanguageandCitizenship.pdf

http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Philosophy/CTLL/FEL/i2/iatiku33.htm

http://www1.fa.knaw.nl/mercator/regionale_dossiers/regional_dossier_irish_in_ire land.htm

AR FHEABHAS AR FAD!! Please keep your thoughts coming, if one party is seen to get all Gaeilgeoirí's votes the others will soon follow so it doesn't matter who's in govt. Gaeilge will live and grow :)

Which party?! The Republican Party! That takes Fine Gael off your list! But who are the true Republicans i hear you cry - - Me and my party comrades!!! ;)

The packaging is indeed allowed and i wrote about this in another thread - Foras na Gaeilge are giving grants to companies who do this.
Govt Depts - it'd be hard to do but i really like the idea.
Placenames - Brilliant! Defo gona use that!
If you say that Gaeilgeoirí will get houses over others we'd be seen to discriminate and that'd do Gaeilge no good.
John Walsh was supposed to be teaching me this exact stuff *Sochaí agus teanga* But of course he packed up and chilled over to Ollscoil na hEireann, Gaillimh and now i know more than the diabhal léachtóir!!!
O'Cuiv is doing his best agus fair play dó mar gheall ar sin but i don't think he does enough.

Seosamh - aontaím go huile is go h-iomlán le do thuairimí..

An dub - why did you not think i'd be a member of Labour, Greens, Socialists, Pd's or even Communists???
And An Comhaontas Glas agus na Sóisialigh have very good policies don Ghaeilge. Labour - i REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY don't like.

To be honest i'm actually Cathaoirleach of the biggest political party on campus... Quite a busy young man aren't i?!?!?

Níl Ard-Fheis ach ag FF, FG, SF agus RSF, ceapaim.

>>Which party?! The Republican Party! That takes Fine Gael off your list! But who are the true Republicans i hear you cry - - Me and my party comrades!!! ;)

An-crua - b'é FG a thóg an tír amach ón Chomhlathas!

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Quite a busy young man aren't i?!?!?

Agus umhal, mín, caoin fósta.

Well im sorry but your wrong Fianna Fáil are having their Ard Fheis at the moment.
Sinn Féin have their Ard Fheis in March i think.

So it's one of the above!!

The Republican Party? Well that's Fianna Fail out then.

Maidir le Gaeilge:
How about gov departments and maybe more when dealing with the public, start talking in Irish first, so if you have Irish you can speak it in a proper capacity rather than it being relagated to a hobby language.

Something needs to be done about the average use of the language amongst the populace. I've pondered this but I can't think of something that would encourage people to use it without giving money out willy-nilly to every passer by. Maybe some kind of ad campaign promoting it.

Place-names in Irish is good.

A certain amount of Irish on the English TV channels. TG4 should be in all-Irish, give money to companies to put their ads in Irish.

We need magazines along the lines of Cosmo, FHM in Irish, make Irish useful to the average punter. Kids toys in Irish aswell. Things along those lines.

More of this advertising stuff and with making Irish cool.

Education: The CnaG policy thing implemented fully. Before that though you'd really need a complete overhaul of the horrible, tyrannical education system in Ireland. Murder machine faoi dho ceapaim.

Every school a Gaelscoil, it'll make it easier to force Irish on people if they can actually speak it.

New Gaeltachts should be established in cities.

We should stop pandering to the Bearloirs in Ireland, I especially refer to TG4 here. That wan who's nominated for the TV personality award said you can't exclude people. I say, exclude every Bearloir until they learn Irish and make it worth their while to learn Irish. Someone said before about humiliating them into learning Irish. I probably wouldn't go that far, but make Irish so cool that they'd be outcasts if they didn't speak it. That'll take ages but we'd need huge superstars like Colin Farrel and people speaking Irish regularly to encourage people.

Basically, make it so any average guy could run his life completely in Irish, that means provide services along every step of the way in Irish, and then encourage through whatever means neccessary to use these Irish services.

"An t-aon toradh a bhéas ag an drong s'agatsa ná an freasúra bunreachtúil a lagú."

Céard atá á rá agat, a Aonghuis? Tá deireadh curtha le feachtas an tIRA agus gníomhaíochtaí uilig an dream céanna. Athnaíonn Sinn Féin na hinstitiúdí a thit amach le Comhaontú an Chéasta agus tádar ag iarraidh an Comhaontú a chur i gcrích. Nach páirtí bunreachtúil iad freisin?

Cen botún a rinne Dub? Bíonn Árd Fheis ag FF, FG, SF agus RSF - comhdháil a bhíonn ag an gcuid eile.


Agus is Fine Gael a bhí sa Rialtas nuair a cuireadh Acht Poblacht na hÉireann i bhfeidhm i 1949 - cé gur do Clann na Poblachta Mhic Bride is mó a thugtar creidiúnt as an mbeart airithe sin.

http://acts.oireachtas.ie/ga.act.1948.0022.1.html

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ACHT D'ATHGHAIRM AN ACHTA ÚDARÁIS FHEIDHMIÚCHÁIN (CAIDREAMH COIGRÍCHE), 1936 , DÁ DHEARBHU GUR POBLACHT NA hÉIREANN IS GNÉTHUAIRISC AR AN STÁT, AGUS DÁ CHUMASÚ DON UACHTARÁN CUMHACHT CHOMHALLACH NÓ AON FHEIDHM D'FHEADHMA COMHALLACHA AN STÁIT MAIDIR LENA CHAIDREAMH EACHTRACH D'OIBRIÚ. [21ú Nollaig, 1948.]

A Dub, is Shinner é.

Mar iomlanú, acht 1936 -

http://acts.oireachtas.ie/ga.act.1936.0058.1.html

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3. —(1) Dearbhuítear agus achtuítear leis seo, faid a bheidh Saorstát Éireann i gcomhlachas leis na náisiúin seo leanas, sé sin le rá, an Astráil, Canada, an Bhreatain Mhór, Zéalann Nua, agus an Aifric Theas, agus faid a leanfaidh an rí go n-admhuíonn na náisiúin sin gurb é comhartha a gcó-oibrithe é de ghníomhú thar ceann gach náisiúin fé leith de sna náisiúin sin (ar chomhairle a Rialtaisí fé seach) chun ionadaithe dioplomáideacha agus consalta do cheapadh agus chun có-aontuithe eadarnáisiúnta do chríochnú, go bhféadfaidh an rí a hadmhuítear amhlaidh, agus go n-údaruítear dó leis seo, gníomhú thar ceann Shaorstáit Éireann chun na gcrícheanna céanna fé mar a chomhairleoidh agus nuair a chomhairleoidh an Ard-Chomhairle dhó san do dhéanamh.

Rite you are - take it or leave it
Is mise Cathaoirleach Sinn Féin, DCU.
Whether you agree with SF's other policies or not i believe that it is in the best interests of Gaeilge for SF to continue to develop excellent policies..
Féach thios - tá tuairimi mar an gcéanna ar mhór nó ar a laghad acu.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/policies/irish_language

agus - - The Irish language

Sinn Féin will support and work for increased availability and better resourcing of Irish-medium education and for significantly strengthened recognition of the essential place of the Irish language in an Irish education system.

Fine Gael cemented partition, they are indeed a partitionist party >:#
Proof - - There's a debate in college next month with the motion - is this house is in favour of a united Ireland?
Garett Fitzgerald and Geoffrey Donaldson are debating AGAINST the motion.
Náire air - Some Gael he is?!
Sinn Féin will debate against and we will win as we always do. Fianna Fáil also jump behind us when the unionists say that we've no right to up the north and we should "stay out of Britain"

I'm quite hopeful for the future - especially since EVERYONE i know tells me that as soon as my name is put on a ballot paper i'll be elected.

Did you know that the official title of FG is in fact Fine Gael -The United Ireland Party. Has been since the thirties.

A Fiacc,

táim fós amhrasach futhú.

Dar liom nach bfhuil iontu sna fiche sé contae ach pairtí agóide - ag seinm aon phort a tharraingíonn aird orthu. Agus pairtí a bhfuil foinsí maoinithe acu atá ar a laghad amhrasach.

Ní dual do phairtí dá léithéid, nach bhfuil polasaí daingean acu, dea-Rialtas a chuir ar fáil.

Tiocfaidh siad idir muid agus Rialtas nua, agus is trua sin mar tá an dream atá ann anois sotalach de bharr bheith ró fháda i Rialtas.

A Aonghuis,

Is dócha go bhfuil an ceart agat gur páirtí agóide é sa taobh seo tíre an chuid is mó den t-am, ach nach dtagann gach páirtí den eite clé ar an bhfód mar páirtí agóide ar dtús? De réir a chéile bíonn orthu polasaithe dearfach a chruthú chun a líon tacaíochta a dhaingniú is a leathnú agus tá na comharthaí ann go bhfuil Sinn Féin ag iarraidh polasaithe suntasach a fhorbairt.

Tá ceisteanna ann, gan amhras, faoina bhfoinsí maoinithe (cosúil le Páirtí na nOibrithe rompu) ach nach maith an rud é dá bharr sin go bhfuil siad socraithe ar an mbealach daonlathach, bunreachtúil? Tá siad faoi smacht an chóras agus faoi scrúdú cosúil le gach páirtí eile. Faoi na coinníollacha agus na rialacha atá againn faoi láthair, ní féidir le aon páirtí leanúint ar aghaidh le caimiléireacht gan dochar mór a dhéanamh dóibh féin sa deireadh.

“Tiocfaidh siad idir muid agus Rialtas nua…”

Ciallaíonn sé sin go dtógfaidh siad níos mó suíochain ó pháirtithe an ‘Rainbow’ ná ó Fhianna Fáil sa chéad olltoghcháin eile agus ní bheinn ró-chinnte faoi sin ar chor ar bith. Ar aon chaoi, seans maith go mbeidh siad i gcomhrialtas le Fianna Fáil sar i bhfad, thart ar 2011/12 déarfainn. Tá féidireachtaí eile ann freisin - Sinn Féin mar pháirtí den ‘Rainbow’ mar shampla. Ní chuirfinn airgead air ach is beag rud a mbíonn dodhéanta i gcúrsaí polaitíochta. An chuimhin leat cad a tharla nuair a dhiúltaigh John Bruton dul isteach i gcomhrialtas leis An Daonlathas Clé i 1992?

A Dhomhnaill,

>>Fine Gael cemented partition, they are indeed a partitionist party >:#
>>Proof - - There's a debate in college next month with the motion - is this house is in favour of a united Ireland?
>>Garett Fitzgerald and Geoffrey Donaldson are debating AGAINST the motion.
>>Náire air - Some Gael he is?!

would a United Ireland be a good thing for the Irish language?

Má raibh milliún aontachtdóirí sa stáit, ceapaim go dtiocfadh an-isliú i stádas an Ghaeilge
- deireadh le compulsory Irish sna scoileanna
- ní féidir an Ghaeilge a bheith riachtanach chun post a fháil sna póiliní, mar shampla
- deireadh b'fhéidir leis an Ghaeilge mar an chéad teanga oifigiúl?

and remember, when it comes to services, they need to be offered in irish first, best, easiest and in come cases exclusively.

the average person will only learn irish and conduct any of his life in it if he absolutely must. english is already known, easily understood by the marjority in ireland and profitible to use. if we can rob it of at least the last then we have a fighting chance...

I've heard labour is very anti-Irish

Nach bhfuil tú ag briseadh le mhana leis an tcht sin, a Dhrochfhuaimniú?

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'As long as I don't write about the government, religion, politics....

A Fhiacc - beidh le feiscint.

Tá Fianna Fáil glic - cúis amhain go bhfuilid i Rialtas don mhórchuid ó 1926 ar aghaidh...

A Dhrochfhuaimniú,

Chun cothrom na féinne a thabhairt do Pháirtí an Lucht Oibre, bhí Michael D. Higgins ar ceann de na hAirí Gaeltachta is fearr a bhí ann riamh. Bunaíodh TG4 faoina stiúriú agus bhí sé go láidir ar son maoiniú eagraiochtaí a bhí ag plé le na na-ealaíona trí mhean na Gaeilge.

To be fair to the Labour Party, Labour Minister Micheal D. Higgins was one of the best Ministers for Arts & Gaeltacht we ever had. He was the driving force behind the establishment of TG4 and ensured that arts organisations working through Irish were properly resourced. Labour is not anti-Irish; it's just that the language is not a high priority among most of its members and T.D.'s.

Tá Fianna Fáil thar a bheith glic, a Aonghuis. B'fhéidir go mbeidh athrú Rialtais againn i 2007 ach ceapaim go mbeidh Fianna Fáil ann mar phríomh-páirtí an céad Rialtas eile fós.

"ceapaim go mbeidh Fianna Fáil ann mar phríomh-páirtí an céad Rialtas eile fós."

Is eagal liom go bhfuil an cheart agat. Ach má fhaighimid réidh le Mac Dubhghaill agus a dhrong...

No i didnt know that's what FG is called. It makes no sense and i've never heard them call themselves that.
Aonghus cén fáth go gceapann tú go bhfuil na foinsí airgid "amhrasach" Caithfear na cuntais a chur ar fáil - so má tá fianaise agat *NIL AON AGAT ANOIS* led thoil cur os mo chomhair é!
Tá polasaithe an-daingean ag SF - arís bhfuil aon fhainaise/samplaí agat? Ní dóigh. Ní ach ag úsáid do thuairimí féin gan aon bhunus atá tú.
Fiafraím díot - an foinse maith é na S.A? Faigheann SF sármhéid airgid ó na S.A. mar is ceart.. Faightear i bhfad bhfad níos mó airgid ná aon pháirtí eile arís mar is ceart.

Dub - In a united Ireland how would Unionists ie < 20% of population change our education system. They'd be democratically out-voted.
Irish has more status, funding etc now in the north thanks to SF.. Without sf's persistance would Foras Na GAeilge have been setup? NO! Sf wants offical status for Gaeilge in the north like Welsh in Wales and Gaidhlic in Alban. And don't forget the P.D. pratt of a justice minister has just scrapped the Gaeilge requirement to join the RIC.... Sorry.... An Garda Síochána!

Drochfhuaimniú, you wouldn't believe it. It's sick. I asked the head of Labour, Dcu (Who's a lecturer coz nobody joins or cares enough about labour) for a debate on Gaeilge. My response was something like - "it's dead get over it.. Just a few hundred middle-class ppl who think they can speak it. Join the real world."
They're also the only pro-abortion party in Eirinn - 32 counties! Yes even the DUP are pro-life!

Sinn Féin are 3/1 to be in the next govt.
If it wasn't going to be FF/SF sa chéad Rialtas eile I'd like to see FF/Green in power. I cannot vote for FG,Labour or the PD's and i don't understand how anyone can.
Sure who knows - i might be a govt minister in a few years! I'll recruit the lot of ye to An Roinn Na Gaeltachta!!!
It'll be very interesting to see what happens to see in the next gen election!

Aon smaointi eile for my motions?!

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Aonghus cén fáth go gceapann tú go bhfuil na foinsí airgid "amhrasach" Caithfear na cuntais a chur ar fáil - so má tá fianaise agat *NIL AON AGAT ANOIS* led thoil cur os mo chomhair é!
Tá polasaithe an-daingean ag SF - arís bhfuil aon fhainaise/samplaí agat? Ní dóigh. Ní ach ag úsáid do thuairimí féin gan aon bhunus atá tú.
Fiafraím díot - an foinse maith é na S.A? Faigheann SF sármhéid airgid ó na S.A. mar is ceart.. Faightear i bhfad bhfad níos mó airgid ná aon pháirtí eile arís mar is ceart.

Tá cosc ag mórchuid de thíortha na hEorpa ar maoiniú ó thar lear do phairtíthe polaitiúla.

D'athraigh SF a bpolasaí maidir le ginmhilleadh nuar a d'oir sé dóibh, agus deanfaidh siad amhlaidh le haon pholasaí eile.

Agus cé mhéad baill de bhur ngluaiseacht atá faoi ghlas de bharr robáil bainc? Agus cé mhéid den airgead a thug sibh thar nais?

Dar ndóigh níl ann ach tuairimí - sin bun agus barr na polaitíochta.

>>> Aon smaointi eile for my motions?!

Rún 1: Go bhfoglaimeodh gach ball den pháirtí an Ghaeilge in achar bliana (mar gur féidir a dhéanamh).

Rún 2: Go reachtálfaí gach díospóireacht ag Ardfheis na bliana ina dhiaidh seo i nGaeilg (mar gur féidir a dhéanamh).

Rún 3: Go nglacfaí leis an nGaeilg ina teanga oifigiúil ag an bpáirtí sa tslí go mbeidh Éire Shaor agus Éire Ghaelach ag Cáit Nig Uidhir i mbeagán achair (mar gur féidir a dhéanamh).

(Má shíltear nach féidir a dhéanamh ní dhéanfar é. Caithfear a chur abhaile orthu mar sin gur féidir a dhéanamh ar an acht go mbeidh ar gach éinne a bheith ag obair in éineacht. Achar bliana.)

Féach an Ardfheis leis na rúin sin a Dhomhnaill, a ndúshlán a thabhairt agus a rá leo:
ar mhaith leo a bheith ina gceann feadhna ar chosmhuintir na tíre lena dtreorú chun saoirse amach anseo nó an bhfuilid sásta a bheith ina n-athleagan de Chlann na Poblachta a Dó, a Trí, srl. sa rialtas faoi thóin páirtí críchdheighilteach eile.

Anois, sin dúshlán duit a Dhomhnaill. An mbeir in ann chuige?
Cuimhnigh an té nár chuir, níor chaill is níor bhain.

"and remember, when it comes to services, they need to be offered in irish first, best, easiest and in some cases exclusively.
the average person will only learn irish and conduct any of his life in it if he absolutely must. english is already known, easily understood by the marjority in ireland and profitible to use. if we can rob it of at least the last then we have a fighting chance..."

Aontaím le sin. Even if all services everywhere were "offered" in Irish, I still don't think people would make the leap to using Irish in these situations. Unless they were exclusively in Irish it would still be too easy to use English. I think the HUGE majority of people do not have enough confidence in their level of Irish and ability to communicate in Irish to begin to use it with people they don't know. Also, until people see others using Irish and it becomes the norm they won't start.
I don't know what the answer to this is tho!!!
Maybe even for shops to start greeting customers in Irish. Then we'd all get used to hearing it and no immediate pressure to respond in Irish but eventually people will and it will grow from there?
start small THINK BIG!!!

Abortion has never been SF the offical party policy.
It has never been approved by the Ard Comhairle. It has been put to the Ard Fheis by a group inside the party called the 'womens forum' on several occasions..
IT HAS FAILED EVERY TIME. It has never been party policy.

"Agus cé mhéad baill de bhur ngluaiseacht atá faoi ghlas de bharr robáil bainc? Agus cé mhéid den airgead a thug sibh thar nais?"

How dare you?! I am NOT a criminal - and your suggestion that I or the people of my cumann would be linked to such a criminal event merely shows how naive you are and how little basis "your opinions" hold. Aonghus are you actually Micheal McDowell?
Whatever criminals *whoever it was were criminals* should be thrown in a jail. Whoever it was have NEVER been caught and ever heard of innocent until proven guilty Aonghus.. Obviously not. So you also hold facist tendancies good man Aonghus.

Seosamh grma - glacaim do thuairimí..
This thread was started and will end with Athbheochan na Gaeilge at it's heart.

Typical Sinn Féin. The gall of someone from a party which campaigned for the release of the men who shot a Garda while trying to rob a bank, calling me a fascist.

Or are you now admitting, on behalf of your party, that they were criminals?

Pé scéal é, níor luaigh mé tusa go pearsanta, ná do chumann - Sinn Féin i gcoitinne a bhí i gceist agam.

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This thread has drifted off topic and will be closed.

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