We've all discussed mizzillions of things we can do ar son mhaitheas na Gaeilge.. Ach féach thíos - something's actually being done! :)

Ar dtús, I have always said education was the biggest problem but perhaps the winds of change are blowing.. Conradh na Gaeilge are in the process of making a new Polasaí Oideachais - and though it's still early days i like what im reading -
*Send múinteoirí Gaeilge chuig an nGaeltacht for a year
*Teach a second subject such as Art as Gaeilge showing students that Gaeilge can be used outside of the irish class.
*Setup a syllabus for native speakers and another one for learners. Introduce intensive catch-up courses for pupils who attended school overseas. And "The realisation of State exams in the major languages of the immigrant communities" - - not too sure what that means.

Secondly i read more deáscéalta in Saol -

138,000 people attended the Irish Fest in Milwaukee agus cuid acu ag úsáid Gaeilge - Gotta love you funky Americans ;D

Foras Na Gaeilge are targeting new parents who wish to raise their páistí go dátheangach in conjunction with comhluadar - this can only be good. 2/3 children are using 2> languages daily worldwide.

Agus faoi dheireadh i know we discussed before how good it'd be if goods were made/packaged/sold go dátheangach *Well shave my parmesan* Foras naG the legends are to throw "cabhair" aka Airgead (€1,000 go €3,000) to companies who do it As Gaeilge amháin nó go dátheangach.

Is breá liom athbheochan na Gaeilge ;)

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Cad a cheapann sibh faoi seo?

(Message edited by Domhnall on October 12, 2005)

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mizzillions

Cuireann an focal sin scéal grinn i gcuimhne dom. Féach thíos, i nGhetto na Gaeilge.

Is greannmhar an dóigh a meascann tú Gaeilg agus Béarla ins an aon abairt amháin a Dhomhnaill :-)

"Foras naG -the legends"

How so? They have had funding and other issues.

"Conradh na Gaeilge are in the process of making a new Polasaí Oideachais"

Conradh na Gaeilge are irrelevant. Nobody goes to their shop on Hardcourt Street, and the whole enterprise is outdated. They are well intentioned, but little else. And no, that is not me 'sniping'. I bought a book there that had the receipt in it. It was 13 yars old. Some books have faded covers -from the indoors light bulbs!

Domhnall, you seem more practical than that; how can you and your friends carry yír passion for an ghaeilge further as part of a continual community outside of DIT? Surely, you are only asking for failure if you focus on losers like CnG and all the others in the irish language industry.

And yes, they are all poor. People like to hear (especialyl americans living abroad) that someone is doing 'the good work' while they sit at home and dont take part, as apparently, fairy tales are loved by adults too. If one points out the industry is nonscense as it ignores the three most primary elements of language success (economics, prestige, community), you get attacked. They want the whole of Ireland to speak irish, yet fail on a small scale. Nuff said.

A dhomhall, níl é sin do phictiúr féin, is é "stewart" as an clár teilifís "neighbours"! Tá tú ag insint bréige dúinn... Beadh náire an domhain ort...

aontaím leat fifi, is caractair ón 'neighbours' é i ndáiríre!!! ba cheart go mbeadh náire air!!

Dia Daoibh -
Ar dtús, im really feeling hopeful for the future of Gaeilge.. When you think about it there's quite a lot (No, not enough) out there for the modern Gaeilgeoir. I mean we've got tv, raidió, books, cafe's, shops, forums, Languages Acts, status, funding, pubs, and all types of organisations and societies.

Dennis a phota, "Féach thíos, i nGhetto na Gaeilge." Cad atá i gceist agat anseo?! Ní fheicim rud ar bith!

Lughaidh, you should try being me i can do Gaeilge amháin or dátheangach ní féidir liom Béarla amháin a dhéanamh but i've no real need for Bloody Béarla so why bother.. 'Practice what you preach' mar a deirtear! I keep saying stuff like "All the páistí in my máthair's scoil speak Gaeilge the t-am ar fad" and it's only when i get those looks of 'What is this freak saying' do i realise what im saying..

Foras Na Gaeilge are the lads who throw the money willy-nilly around the 32 counties at Gaeilge organisations.. They gave a lets say *generous* amount to An Cumann Gaelach last year and i ríomhphosted them inniu asking them to do it again this year!
Now Robert you're just making things up now yih lil divil!! One person from Conradh na Gaeilge came to our EGM and talked about what we thought they could do for us agua An Ghaeilge go ginéaralta. Hardly exactly merging the two organisations!! They do more good for Gaeilge than bad and as such are benefical. If you've got suggestions on how they can improve im sure they'd be thar a bheith buíoch díot!
Lol - yours truly was elected Cathaoirleach of An Cumann Gaelach!!!!!! :D And im gona kick some ass!
Eh DIT!?!?!?!?!?!? NO NO OH NO!!! Its Dublin City University you're after - Dont even think their Cumann Gaelach is active ar an drochuair ;( Dcu and Dit dont like being mixed up!!
There's plenty of airgead there don Ghaeilge - hundreds of millions of euro.. Agus is fíric é sin!

Haigh a Fhifi!! Tá's go baileach cé hé sin! GRMA sister!! Eh how exactly am i "ag insint bréige dúinn" I NEVER said this was a picture of me. You Presumed that's what it was meant to me.. Ach bhí tú mícheart a dheirfiúr Neh neh ne neh neh ;p

Agus cén fáth gur cóir náire a bheith orm a Lheelee?!?! Ní fheicim do phictiúr ach a mhalairt!!?!?!?

>Lughaidh, you should try being me i can do Gaeilge >amháin or dátheangach ní féidir liom Béarla amháin a >dhéanamh but i've no real need for Bloody Béarla so why >bother.. 'Practice what you preach' mar a deirtear! I >keep saying stuff like "All the páistí in my máthair's >scoil speak Gaeilge the t-am ar fad" and it's only when >i get those looks of 'What is this freak saying' do i >realise what im saying..

Ba deacair liomsa sin a dhéanamh sa chaint: má thoisím a labhairt Gaeilge cha rachainn ar a’ Bhéarla siocair gurbh fhusa liom Gaeilg a labhairt ná Béarla. Agus is dóigh liom go meascfainn an dá chóras fhoghraíochta fosta dá n-abróchainn abairtí Béarla agus Gaeilge i ndiaidh a chéile (fuaimníocht Ghaeilge ar fhoclaí Béarla gan amhras, siocair gurbh fhearr & nádúrtha a fhuaimnímse Gaeilg ná Béarla). Iot bhúd sabhnd cuáight straeind, aigh tuinc.

So for me sílim go mbeadh an scéal mar seo: cupla abairt i mBéarla agus uair bhainfinn feidhm as focal Ghaeilge a bheadh níos nádúrtha agam, agus bheadh ’n fhuílleach i nGaeilg uilig go léir ón am sin amach :-) . Cha ndéanann tusa ach labhairt Béarla agus cupla focal Gaeilge ó am go chéile, ach struchtúr a’ Bhéarla a bíos ann i gcónaí. Bheadh a mhalairt agam féin, tá eagla orm, siocair go mbainimse níos mó úsáide as a’ Ghaeilg ná as a’ Bhéarla achan lá (ní labhairtear Béarla anseo). :-)

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"Féach thíos, i nGhetto na Gaeilge." Cad atá i gceist agat anseo?! Ní fheicim rud ar bith!

"Comhrá Oscailte as Gaeilge (Irish Only)" atá mé a rá. Féach an "Scéal Grinn" ansin. Meas tú an bhfuil "brazillion" níos mó ná "mizzillion"?

Scríobh Lughaidh
>>Iot bhúd sabhnd cuáight straeind, aigh tuinc.

Labhd laftár!

What's the Polasaí Oideachais(nó Beart Oideachais mura Béarlachasóir tú) about? A CnaG policy or an actual policy implemented by the government, or getting the advice of CnaG? If it's just a CnaG thing I don't see much reason to be hopeful, though those sugestions are brilliant and need to be put in immediately. If that complete wan Hannigan ever stopped spinning and actual did something it might come in, in other words, we'll have to wait till the next election or re-shuffle.

On one of the aspects, my old, idiotic, Irish teacher had never been to the Gaeltacht and there was a fair amount of grammar he didn't know himself. Not that he taught us the grammar he did know anyway, but that's a seperate issue.

Polasaí de chuid an Conradh atá ann.

Féach anseo:
http://www.phyr.com/~cnagie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=101&Itemid =55&lang=ga

Ní ach polasaí nua atá ag CnaG atá ann A Dhalta..
Níl mé dóchasach faoin Aire seo ach a mhailairt - agus bhuail mé leí cúpla uair - ní maith leí daoine nach bhfuil páirteach i FF!!
Dá mba rud é gur cuireadh an polasaí seo i bhfeidhm is cuma cé a chum é dhéanfadh sé a lán mhaitheas d'Athbheochan na Gaeilge.

Tuigim anois é A Dhennis! lol!

Agus mé ag caint le duine bím ag labhairt an chuid is mó i nGaelainn agus cúpla rud i mBéarla. Agus mé ag scríobh anseo faoi rudaí gur mhaith liom gach duine bheith in ann iad a thuiscint déantar trí "an teanga sin"..

'Sé Gaeilge caint na hEireann!

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i can do Gaeilge amháin or dátheangach ní féidir liom Béarla amháin a dhéanamh but i've no real need for Bloody Béarla so why bother..

Right.

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Ní ach polasaí nua atá ag CnaG atá ann A Dhalta..

Níl ann ach polasaí nua ag CnaG.

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Dá mba rud é gur cuireadh an polasaí seo i bhfeidhm

An "fusa" leat é sin a rá ná "Dá gcuirfí an polasaí seo i bhfeidhm"?

Is é an Béarla do theangasa. Níl tú ach go measartha ag foghlaim na Gaeilge.

Cé hé an Flea seo? Is FUATH liom daoine mar é! Is suarachán cladhartha an duine a dhéanfadh ruaig chreiche mar seo agus é i bhfolach taobh thiar d'ainm bréige.

Maidir leis an bhFlea, tá a fhios againn cá has an teachtaireacht:

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Níl ann ach uimhreacha, ach is furasta tuilleadh eolais a fháil. Téigh go "Whois Source" ag http://www.whois.sc/ agus cuir isteach na huimhreacha. Voilà. Is ionann agus:

United States - Virginia - Ashburn - Uunet Technologies Inc

Is féidir é sin a dhéanamh le gach "unregistered guest" le fix níos fearr a fháil air.

(Message edited by dennis on October 16, 2005)

(Message edited by dennis on October 16, 2005)

Dearnaid - if i wanted your corrections i would have FRC *Fáilte roimh Cheartúcháin* faoi mo theachtaireachtaí.

Níl sé ansin só téigh ar ais faoin gcloch gur as a tháinig tú.
N'fheadar cé hé/hí A Dhennis agus is fuath liom a leithéid chomh maith.
Más é sin do thuairim táim cinnte nach gcuirfear fáilte romhat anseo a namhaid.

Níl RUD AR BITH ar eolas a'gat fuam agus táim breá sásta go bhfuil mé ag déanamh níos mó ó thaobh slánú na Gaeilge de ná tú féin agus tú ag déanamh damáiste don Ghaeilge. Mar sin Dún Suas.

Ach seachain agus ná bí ró cinnte. Is minic gur ISP mór a bhíonn i gceist, a dhíolann na seoltaí ar aghaidh ag grupaí eile.

Mar atá i gceist le UUnet (http://www.uu.net)

Bhuel mura bhfuil an Pusachán seo ag iarraidh a (h)ainm a thabhairt, ní dóigh liom go bhfuil sé chun tuilleadh eolais a thabhairt de shaghas ar bith..

Bígí ciúin, a chairde.

"Dún suas": Béarlachas ar "shut up". Gaeilg Ghaeltachta air sin: "druid do bhéal" "druid do chlab", nó más mian leat bheith níos múinte: "bí i do thost". Ach seachas cupla rud mar sin, is fíor é a ráidht, a Dhomhnaill, nach ndéanann tú mórán meancóg, comhghairdeachas.

Domhnall - Posting on this forum leaves you open to other's comments. You don't get to pick and choose which postings will be commented upon. You don't have to like the comments but to tell someone to "shut up" is rude and childish. And what's the difference between using an "alias" or unregistered site and using someone else's photo?

Eh cibé a dheirfiúr @ United States - New Jersey - Basking Ridge - AT&T Worldnet Services ..
I think you're totally mistaken darling. AS DISCUSSED IN LENGTH BEFORE correcting people when corrections are not wanted (AND I DONT WANT THEM - IF I DID I'D HAVE FRC UNDER MY POSTS)does NOTHING for the benefit of the language. It has the opposite effect - it damages peoples confidence and people use the language less and less. Shame on those who do that. Náire oraibh ar fad.
Ever heard of web-freaks - stalkers etc etc - Use my own photo - Nil grma!
Déarfaidh mé le h-éinne atá chomh dána le sin a b(h)éal a dhúnadh.

United States - New Jersey - Basking Ridge - AT&T Worldnet Services

Aka, mouse, mousetrap, and so on...

>>AS DISCUSSED IN LENGTH BEFORE correcting people when corrections are not wanted does NOTHING for the benefit of the language.

I don't agree.
Corrections are essential to the language.
Not only do the native speakers correct the learners, but they also (and that's the important point) correct the baby during the language acquisition process (which lasts until adolescence...).
The point is not whether there should or not be corrections, but how they should be formulated...(that is: in a non-threatening way)

>>(AND I DONT WANT THEM - IF I DID I'D HAVE FRC UNDER MY POSTS)

I never understood that... It looks like you are terribly afraid of them and certainly don't want to see them at all.
But corrections, even malevolently intended, can be useful.
Personal example : coming from a region of France where the language is not exactly the same as in Paris where I now live, there are certain things I still wouldn't know (about parisian French) if people had not corrected me (or even made fun of me)... like the fact that "pommier" does not rhyme with "essai" but with "allié"... (but I still make it rhyme with "essai" anyway...)

Scríobh Robert:

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Aka, mouse, mousetrap, and so on...

Vive este ratón (Roberto Ratón?) en el Distrito Federal, aka Mexico City. Is suimiúil an píosa beathaithnéise é sin. Is é sin le rá, tá tú beagán níos réadúla domsa anois, Robert, agus níos suimiúla dá bharr sin.

Scríobh Domhnall:

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Use my own photo - Nil grma!

Cé tá sa ghrianghraf sin? Ní tusa an "chick magnet" sin?

Scríobh Max:

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But corrections, even malevolently intended, can be useful.

They can also intimidate people, or piss them off, and end up just shutting them down. Where I live, there are lots and lots and lots of people who speak English as a second language, some less well then others. The social norm here is that as long as you can understand someone's English, you don't correct it -- unless you intend to be rude! The French, in my experience, have a very different attitude toward linguistic imperfection, which you have just enunciated. I wonder sometimes if French hasn't done as well as English globally in part because Parisians spend so much time sneering at those who do not say things just right.

Dennis, ná bí chomh cinnte sin.

Margadh mór atá sna IPanna - ní gá go mbeadh duine san ait atá an seoladh claraithe.

Deir www.arin.net agus ansin www.ripe.net liomsa gur le comhlucht Éireannach an seoladh IP atá ag Robert s'againne!

First off, I believe there are female readers everywhere who are a bit disappointed that this isn't really what Domhnall looks like. I've half a mind to put up my own picture, but then again perhaps I'll put up Angelina Jolie's...


Regarding Robert, I've found that periodically there's a troll (not the registered user, who is very nice) that comes here by that name, although sometimes with different IP addresses -- so perhaps there's a legion of unregistered trolls all named Robert. As with most trolls, if you leave them alone, they'll go home wagging their tails behind them.

One of the great gifts of having a forum like this as opposed to meeting people in person is that, when someone offends you, you can choose to ignore them altogether or think a while for a witty comment or three to shoot back at them.


People have mentioned before that they were uncomfortable with some of the language being used. Obviously moderators don't find it offensive or don't care. I personally would be more comfortable if only registered users could post -- but I'm not running the show.

This started off as a wonderful post by Domhnall and once again was ruined by the board trolls. THIS is part of what some people were talking about when they were discussing how uncomfortable they were in posting. I know that if I were an absolute beginner I would probably be turned off by this board in a week.


Soooo...getting back to the original point of the post: Domhnall, would you like to see your plan include teachers from other countries as well as from Ireland proper? What do you feel is the responsibility of the Irish government (and other organizations, to a lesser extent) towards promoting the Irish language in other countries, especially those with large ethnic Irish populations?

Domhnall - Your logic eludes me. If the name you are registered under is your real name and you really are from Louth, it would be much easier for a webstalker to find you that way than from a picture. And I don't agree with Dearnaid's comments but I don't think you have the right to say who may and may not reply to you. He has the same right you have, like it or no. No corrections wanted? How special is that? Everyone else is corrected. It's an open forum. And now that someone has told you that I live in New Jersey (if I do) does that make anything I've said different?

A "Lucy", a chroí,

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that I live in New Jersey (if I do)

Is féidir go bhfuil tú i do chónaí i Nua-Eabhrac, agus gur fear thú ... fear atá "Quiet" uaireanta. An bhfuil mé ag éirí "te"?

"Soooo...getting back to the original point of the post: Domhnall, would you like to see your plan include teachers from other countries as well as from Ireland proper? What do you feel is the responsibility of the Irish government (and other organizations, to a lesser extent) towards promoting the Irish language in other countries, especially those with large ethnic Irish populations?"

A Nicole, níl aon 'impetus'(ní cuimhin liom an focal anois, an é béim?) ar an rialtas faoi daoine ó thíortha eile, fiú tíortha lena lán daoine ó bhunús Éireannach. Tá teanga Éireann í an Ghaeilge agus sé sin an rud is tábachtaí. Más maith le daoine eile an Ghaeilge a fhoghlaim is féidir leo ach is é Éire tábhacht rialtas na hÉireann.

The Plan is CnaGs.

It should apply to all language teachers everywhere - immersion is the only way to acquire fluency, and a teacher who is not fluent will not give best value to her/his pupils.

Dennis,
now, now! If this network chooses to ping pong thru Mexico, what can I do? I am in Dublin Business School in Dublin, and I speak no Spanish. My thesis will require me to put up a site, so then after that I will not be able to hide. My real name is not Robert tho, just a handle, as when I get attacked I am less likely to write something back I will later regret if it is directed at an avatar.

I simply commented on that for over a year, someone with the same NJ origin is sending vindictive posts when one pisses them off. I does not read like they are massivly affected, more that sometimes they do not agree with how one expresses oneself, and many have been pipped at.

Dúirt Robert:

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I am in Dublin Business School in Dublin...

Is mór agam an blúire beathaisnéise sin. GRMA!

The social norm here is that as long as you can understand someone's English, you don't correct it -- unless you intend to be rude!

Dennis, that's true if you're just speaking normally out in public.

However, if you're on a language-specific board, then it would seem normal to be corrected. Agus rud go maith. ("And a good thing." is what I intended--please correct me if I'm wrong.)

There was a thread recently on a hobby-specific message board where people talked about constructive criticism. It's now clear to me that:

a. Many people don't know what constructive criticism is, and therefore are unable to give it.

b. Many people do not want criticism of any kind, constructive or otherwise. Of course, you have to wonder why they are here if they don't want to learn. ??!

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Agus rud go maith. ("And a good thing." is what I intended--please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Agus is maith an rud é.

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Of course, you have to wonder why they are here if they don't want to learn. ??!

Some people are here mainly just to speak the language. We all learn all the time, of course -- mostly or most painlessly by example, not by being pulled up short and corrected -- in whatever language we're using: new words, expression, idioms. Lots of people, whether new learners or those comfortable with a language don't like to have their every utterance picked over and "corrected", unless they've specifically asked for it. Sometimes the "errors" are temporary lapses caused by changing a thought in mid-course, or revising a message incompletely, or just being in a hurry and sloppy. Sometimes the "problem" is more style than grammar.

My rule: (a) if someone asks for correction, then feel free to offer it; and (b) if someone asks for the correct Irish for a tattoo or a tombstone or a wedding invitation and gets some suggestions here that are not correct, then speak up.

BTW, you'll see that I came back and edited this, to remove a dangling "who" (a thought that went nowhere!) and a misspelled "comfortable". Errors both that required CORRECTION!

(Message edited by dennis on October 18, 2005)

Lots of people, whether new learners or those comfortable with a language don't like to have their every utterance picked over and "corrected", unless they've specifically asked for it.

Sure, if you sent me a private e-mail and I sent it back to you with corrections . . . you'd have every right to be affronted. :-)

However, I look at this as a public forum for students. If students see errors in posts, they won't know it. They may very well learn mistakes. That's a bad thing, isn't it?

IMHO, corrections are a good thing on a public forum like this. Of course it helps if corrections are done more in the style of Bono than Oscar the Grouch.

P.S.--Dennis, thanks for the correction.

(Message edited by dearg on October 18, 2005)

Dennis - Bhféidir beirt 's riomhaire amhain. And Robert, do not confuse me with mouse, mousetrap or any of those postings. I'm not the only Gaeilgeoir in NJ.

Max baby! Even if corrections aren't meant to be threatening, they can be taken as such and have the disastrous consequences as Dennis the legend describes "They can also intimidate people, or piss them off, and end up just shutting them down"
Níl mo ghaeilge foirfe - I don't know anyone who has Gaeilge Foirfe. I know that i'm good (also modest lol) but i use it for the benefit of others agus An Ghaeilge í féin .i. Running An Cumann Gaelach, teaching for free and generally doing ANYTHING i can think of to promote my language that means so much to me.. I gceartlár mo chroíse go deo a bheidh sé.. Awww..
Pé scéal é, i think there are much better ways to teach .i. encouraging instead of putting down.
I dont want corrections. I have my reasons and i'd appreciate them to be respected.

A Dhennis, duine ón teilifís is ea é..clár ón Astráil de dhéanta na fírinne and my photo would be i bhfad bhfad sexier ná é féin!!! ;) Sure look at you yih stallion - The ladies must be all over you in private emails ;)

Nicole a phota, "This started off as a wonderful post by Domhnall " Awww Go raibh míle Síle!! Could you clarify your first ceist me no understand??! Hmmm.. The language is for everyone who wants to learn and love it. Its home is indeed in Eirinn. But i'd say they should provide services for foreign students and teachers in the Gaeltacht to learn, teach and foster the language.

Lucyage "Everyone else is corrected" Blatantly wrong AGAIN. And im not special it was agreed before to prevent endless conversations like these and conflict. Where your from isn't important - its just for whatever mysterious reason you dont bother to register for a forum in which all you do is complain about me. Im just trying to find out more about someone like you if that's what you're goin to say about me.
You don't have to agree with me, I'm not a facist.

"It should apply to all language teachers everywhere - immersion is the only way to acquire fluency, and a teacher who is not fluent will not give best value to her/his pupils." Aonghus tá an ceart ar fad a'at!

"Many people do not want criticism of any kind, constructive or otherwise. Of course, you have to wonder why they are here if they don't want to learn. ??!" The answer to your first sentence is in my 1st paragraph. Second question answer is there also.

You see petit bickering like this does nothing for learners, agus teanga na Gaeilge.. Táimse ciontach cosúil leis an gcéad duine eile ach nach gceart dúinn stop a chur le seo? Bí aibi agus araile?! ;)

Domhnall,

I suppose the question about correction is the spirit in which it is given. If there is a personality clash between 2 forum members and they try to do each other down, then that is not constructive criticism. I must say I like the way you treat Irish as a cause and give up your free time to help others. You sound like a very passionate and inspired person.

About corrections:
I find quite stricking the fact that most errors in English or in French are not corrected here...

Was that a striking challenge Max? Shall I strike the first blow for dea Bhéarla? (Ós agam atá an Francís is measa)

It's not a challenge, it's just an observation... (with a funny mispelling in the middle)

People here correct other people's Irish... not French or English, as far as I am aware of... why not?

Fóram do dhaoiní atá ’foghlaim Gaeilge atá ann... Cibé ar bith, ní minic a cheartaíthear a chéile i bhfóraim nach bhfuil ach cainteoirí dúchais iontu. Ins na fóraim Fhraincise... bheadh barraíocht oibre le déanamh! chaithfeá do shaol go léir air sin, ó dhubh go dubh.

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It's not a challenge, it's just an observation... (with a funny mispelling in the middle)

Je savait. Mais l'opportunité de faire des puns c'était trop pour moi.

Fáilte is fiche romhat Fraincís a dhéanamh den méid sin, a Mhax!

(Message edited by aonghus on October 20, 2005)

I recall one of my attempts at Francais pulled au dessus

I have noticed over time that when I ask for corrections there is no shortage of individuals happy to accomodate me. On the other hand, when I strike out on my own to communicate in Irish, most of those same individuals stay off my back so long as some sense can be made of my attempts. I like it that way, so long as my mistakes are not so serious that others might misunderstand me completely.

To date there have been no reported deaths due to a misplaced fada.

>>Fáilte is fiche romhat Fraincís a dhéanamh den méid sin, a Mhax!

Rinne mé é ;-)

Scríobh Max: Rinne mé é

Mura bhfuil dul amú orm, is cúis áthais an abairt seo, an chéad uair a ghlac Max páirt i gcomhrá trí mheán na Gaeilge! Go maire tú é, a Mhax! :-)

>>Mura bhfuil dul amú orm
no, you're not allucinating...

>>Go maire tú é
thank you :-)

"You sound like a very passionate and inspired person." That's what a lot of people say to me.. I'm a natural extravert but don't i just know it!

Eh "I find quite stricking the fact that most errors in English or in French are not corrected here..... Why not"

This site is for people to learn GAEILGE not Béarla or francais.. If you want to learn French or english go to lesetudiants.fr or students.co.uk but personally i think correcting the language most of us come here to get away from is scandalous!

"To date there have been no reported deaths due to a misplaced fada." You obviously haven't heard about the Ballymacshaneboy massacre or the Balbriggan Gramadach Brigade. Lol

>>This site is for people to learn GAEILGE not Béarla or francais..

I don't think that's the point...

I do! Sin é go baileach!

I think there's more to it...

I don't - I really am trying to see where you're coming from but i just can't. How is it not as simple as this;
Irish learners - correct Gaeilge on website for Gaeilge learners.
French learners - correct french on website for french learners.
Yes people can and do use other languages - but they're not using those languages here to learn anything other language and as such shouldn't be corrected here. No!?

Scríobh Max:

quote:

>>Fáilte is fiche romhat Fraincís a dhéanamh den méid sin, a Mhax!

Rinne mé é ;-)

An amhlaidh go raibh sé ceart? Cheap mé nach raibh. Nach bhfuil nath fraincíse ar léith ann do imeartas focail?

>>An amhlaidh go raibh sé ceart?

I never said it was...
Rinne mé Fraincis as an rud a scríobh tú...


>>Nach bhfuil nath fraincíse ar léith ann do imeartas focail?

Tá: jeu de mots

Tuigim. Bhí sé i gceist agam go gceartófá mé.

Suimiúl gurbh ionann an nath ghaeilge, francaíse agus gearmáiníse agus nach eol cad as a dtáinig "pun" an Bhéarla.

Fraincis a' litriú ceart. Gearmáinis, srl. I gairid a bíos ann i gcónaí sa tsiolla dheireanach, ar a laghad sa litriú chaighdeánach, agus i nGaeilg Uladh.

Deirtear /fraŋ´k´is´/, /g´arəma:n´is´/.

Is minic "fraincís" cloiste/feicthe agam áfach, ó na Muimhnigh go háirithe.

I see An Taoiseach Ahern is planning on 'recapturing 1916 from Sinn Féin' boasting the fact that An Piarsach's mother and sister joined FF...
I wonder what would he think of the below - the centre of Pearse's beliefs;

"You cannot conquer Ireland. You cannot extinguish the Irish passion for freedom. If our deed has not been sufficient to win freedom, then our children will win by a better deed."
"As long as Ireland is unfree the only honourable attitude for Irish men/women to have is an attitude of rebellion."
Education should foster; this education is meant to repress. Education should inspire this education is meant to tame. Education should harden; this education is meant to enervate. The English are too wise a people to attempt to educate the Irish in any worthy sense. As well expect them to arm us”. Pádraig Pearse, from The Murder Machine

"We pledge ourselves to follow in the steps of Tone, never to rest, either by day or by night, until his work is accomplished, deeming it the proudest of all privileges to fight for freedom, to fight, not in despondency, but in great joy, hoping for the victory in our day, but fighting on whether victory seem far or near . . . accounting ourselves base as long as we endure the evil thing against which he testified with his blood". Padraig Pearse, address at grave of Wolfe Tone in Bodenstown churchyard June 22, 1913.

"They think they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think they have foreseen everything, think that they provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! - they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace". - Padraig Pearse, in oration at funeral in Glasnevin of Fenian Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa, August 1, 1915.

An Ireland not merely Free but Gaelic as well - not merely Gaelic but Free as well."

Go ndéana Dia trócaire ar a anam.

Bíonn "fraincís" agus "gearmainís" agamsa - ach ó chuir tú ar mo shúile é, déanfad iarracht an litriú caighdeánach a úsáid.

(Message edited by aonghus on October 23, 2005)